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Post by Druzik on Feb 25, 2009 18:13:52 GMT 10
There are many good ideas that fly aorund on here.
Maybe between the regular posters on this forum we should put in a copnsortium to run the RFL/RLIF... I mean its not like we can do a worse job is it. ;D
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Post by jim on Feb 25, 2009 19:43:07 GMT 10
the WCFinal was at suncorp and that ground is only 52k, not much bigger than Elland Rd. Com is only about 45k too so I dont see your point mate Yes but the fct the next biggest gound is 25,000 and overall a maxime of 107,000 will come through the gates. I just would have liked us to push one big game at the venues i mentioned earlier. and who pays when it doesnt do as well as was thought? Who's to say it wouldn't though, I admit Wembley would have been a big risk but a 40-60k stadium isn;t on a wembley scale and alot of promotion work and cheap tickets and it should be a sucess. |
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Post by Marv on Feb 26, 2009 20:34:44 GMT 10
Yes but the fct the next biggest gound is 25,000 and overall a maxime of 107,000 will come through the gates. I just would have liked us to push one big game at the venues i mentioned earlier. I see your point and in many ways its a fair one, I just dont see a huge issue with the venues myself, and i would be a bit worried if we went to say Emirates in London, which would not be cheap by any means and only got 35k. Becasue for me that ground is sold out every other week for Soccer and if our biggest game of the year cant sell it out what does that say about IRL? Who's to say it wouldn't though, I admit Wembley would have been a big risk but a 40-60k stadium isn;t on a wembley scale and alot of promotion work and cheap tickets and it should be a sucess. I think a 60k stadium in London is a massive risk, Com would be a less risky option for me but if its not availible then thats that. As for Anfeild or Old Trafford I just dont see the Soccer clubs needing the hassle of having RL games there, so again, you could be talking a lot of money jsut to make them listen |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 26, 2009 20:40:45 GMT 10
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Post by jim on Feb 26, 2009 21:34:49 GMT 10
I see your point and in many ways its a fair one, I just dont see a huge issue with the venues myself, and i would be a bit worried if we went to say Emirates in London, which would not be cheap by any means and only got 35k. Becasue for me that ground is sold out every other week for Soccer and if our biggest game of the year cant sell it out what does that say about IRL? Well I'm coming to accept the current venues too but I would have liked just a bit more ambition. OK Emirates may be a bit big when I think about, no bigger than say 55k capacity. So that leaves Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, CoM, Anfield or Goodison Park. One of those grounds would be great if we could get it at a decent price, calculations as to how many we would need to get at what price to break even or make a profit would need to be done obviously but I see no reason why we couldn't. It may cost more but 40k at one of these venues would be better long term than 24k at wigan. Soccer and if our biggest game of the year cant sell it out what does that say about IRL? I have to say that at the end of the day even a sold out JJB isn't going to create that great an image. I'm not a big fan of ETC on TRL but something he said did hit the spot in my opinion, it was something like "outsiders incorrectly riducule the game for only being played in Wigan, so where do the RFL take the biggest Pool game of the tournament?". One could argue that playing our biggest pool game at Wigan could give peiople just as much amunition as 10,000 empty seats at a big ground. I suppose it's a toss of the coin really, if we tried a big venue it might have failed or been a big sucess, instead we've gone for the safe option and that is OK I suppose but like I said I would have liked us to go for just a bit more. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 26, 2009 22:34:52 GMT 10
Well I'm coming to accept the current venues too but I would have liked just a bit more ambition. OK Emirates may be a bit big when I think about, no bigger than say 55k capacity. So that leaves Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, CoM, Anfield or Goodison Park. One of those grounds would be great if we could get it at a decent price, calculations as to how many we would need to get at what price to break even or make a profit would need to be done obviously but I see no reason why we couldn't. It may cost more but 40k at one of these venues would be better long term than 24k at wigan. Your first issue is getting those stadums. Soccer season is in full swing and rich billionares will not give them up for a small sport like league. It would be fantastic to have those stadiums as venues but it just aint gonna happen... I think Hull are the real sticking points and Aus vs NZ. I have to say that at the end of the day even a sold out JJB isn't going to create that great an image. I'm not a big fan of ETC on TRL but something he said did hit the spot in my opinion, it was something like "outsiders incorrectly riducule the game for only being played in Wigan, so where do the RFL take the biggest Pool game of the tournament?". One could argue that playing our biggest pool game at Wigan could give peiople just as much amunition as 10,000 empty seats at a big ground. I suppose it's a toss of the coin really, if we tried a big venue it might have failed or been a big sucess, instead we've gone for the safe option and that is OK I suppose but like I said I would have liked us to go for just a bit more. Yes... that is the Ausie point of view as we see it... but I think we need to try and see it from the English point of view, their press is different to ours and when up against the juggernaught of union I think it quantity over quality. |
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Post by Marv on Feb 27, 2009 18:20:53 GMT 10
I suppose it's a toss of the coin really, if we tried a big venue it might have failed or been a big sucess, instead we've gone for the safe option and that is OK I suppose but like I said I would have liked us to go for just a bit more. In that I think your right, and I think IF (big if) England had done better at the WC you would see a little more risked on the scheduling, as it was we were poor and theres not much the RFL can do about that, this time anyway. After watching boots and all last night, Eddie ran through the games, times and venues. One thing stood out for me, he announced " a re-run of the world cup final at the stoop" and i thought, fuck me a world cup final re-run at a 12k stadium, not good. I then started to agree with Jim and other posters on other forums, maybe this ground is too small, however maybe its a moot point as there were few other grounds availible and its good for Quins RL to have the revenue from the game |
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Post by jim on Feb 27, 2009 19:03:55 GMT 10
I suppose it's a toss of the coin really, if we tried a big venue it might have failed or been a big sucess, instead we've gone for the safe option and that is OK I suppose but like I said I would have liked us to go for just a bit more. In that I think your right, and I think IF (big if) England had done better at the WC you would see a little more risked on the scheduling, as it was we were poor and theres not much the RFL can do about that, this time anyway. After watching boots and all last night, Eddie ran through the games, times and venues. One thing stood out for me, he announced " a re-run of the world cup final at the stoop" and i thought, fuck me a world cup final re-run at a 12k stadium, not good. I then started to agree with Jim and other posters on other forums, maybe this ground is too small, however maybe its a moot point as there were few other grounds availible and its good for Quins RL to have the revenue from the game The thing is we will always be at the mercy of Soccer and Union in London, all stadiums besides Stoop would need aproval from a Soccer club and Twickers would need approval from RFU. If we lucky enough to get a medium sized venue say 40-50k then take the England V Australia game there and take the AUS V NZ to Cardiff, preferably St David's stadium the new Cardiff City stadium 25k capacity. That scenario would have been ideal imo. However it wouldn't be a good idea to not play a game in London, so it's a tricky situation. Maybe planning needs to go ahead for RL to have it's own National Stadium based in London, However fundraising for such a project would take years. Maybe all clubs in England charge $1 extra per ticket and that goes towards the stadium or something like that. Not sure how much it would cost to built our version of Twickenham but it would be worth it in the long run IMO. Wembley is always there for us to use I suppose but it has to be fitting to the ocassion and very rarely would an international be high-profile enough to justify Wembley. |
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Post by Marv on Feb 27, 2009 19:29:03 GMT 10
The thing is we will always be at the mercy of Soccer and Union in London, all stadiums besides Stoop would need aproval from a Soccer club and Twickers would need approval from RFU. Soccer mainly, we could probably use twickers but no-one in british RL would want to go there, its like having a holiday to belsen if your an Israeli. The Challenge cup final at twickes was one of the worst ever by my memory Maybe planning needs to go ahead for RL to have it's own National Stadium based in London, However fundraising for such a project would take years. Maybe all clubs in England charge $1 extra per ticket and that goes towards the stadium or something like that. Not sure how much it would cost to built our version of Twickenham but it would be worth it in the long run IMO. Sorry jim i think thats a terrible idea, like it or not the games strongholds are in the north and they always will be, expansion is great but having a purpose built RL stadium for tests in London wouldnt work for me Wembley is always there for us to use I suppose but it has to be fitting to the ocassion and very rarely would an international be high-profile enough to justify Wembley.[/quote] |
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Post by jim on Feb 27, 2009 19:41:19 GMT 10
Sorry jim i think thats a terrible idea, like it or not the games strongholds are in the north and they always will be, expansion is great but having a purpose built RL stadium for tests in London wouldnt work for me Yeh it wasn't my best ever now i look at it. The Ideal scenario would be to get the England team to a decent enough standard that Wembley could be used. For that to happen they have to either make the next two 4N finals or win one. If they do that I see no reason why 2011 we can't have a game at Wembley. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 27, 2009 19:49:31 GMT 10
The thing is we will always be at the mercy of Soccer and Union in London, all stadiums besides Stoop would need aproval from a Soccer club and Twickers would need approval from RFU. Soccer mainly, we could probably use twickers but no-one in british RL would want to go there, its like having a holiday to belsen if your an Israeli. The Challenge cup final at twickes was one of the worst ever by my memory Sorry jim i think thats a terrible idea, like it or not the games strongholds are in the north and they always will be, expansion is great but having a purpose built RL stadium for tests in London wouldnt work for me Wembley is always there for us to use I suppose but it has to be fitting to the ocassion and very rarely would an international be high-profile enough to justify Wembley. [/quote] Marv... if you had to build a national RL stadium... where would you build it and how big? I have heard the Wakey/Cas/Fev area is being touted for a stadium the three would use at about a 40-50k capacity. Or would expanding one of the existing stadiums be the go? Your thoughts? |
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Post by Marv on Feb 27, 2009 21:19:45 GMT 10
Marv... if you had to build a national RL stadium... where would you build it and how big? I would build it in Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool have some RL presence but Leeds is the biggest club in SL and probably the biggest town/city in the heartlands population wise, its also quite central, much easier to get to from Hull/East yorks and Cumbria/west Lancs.......and.........not too difficult to acces from the south, good trains and the M1 goes from Leeds to London I have heard the Wakey/Cas/Fev area is being touted for a stadium the three would use at about a 40-50k capacity. Or would expanding one of the existing stadiums be the go? Your thoughts? I saw that on TRL, IMO the grounds would be stood idle too much for it to work, the calder area (wakey/cas/fev) would never be able to fill the grounds with their club attendances and even Leeds the best supported team in SL would seriously struggle to get more than 30k. For the ground to be credible as a national stadium it would need to be 40-50k, maybe more to consider future g/f's e.t.c and I dont see the ground getting the use as a club stadium unless you roped Leeds Utd in too, then your defeating the object of having the ground for RL tests/big games, as its then a dual purpose stadium |
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