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Post by Marv on Sept 23, 2008 18:04:12 GMT 10
That is an interesting observation... never looked at it that way. It may also be why it leads the Elite 1 teams to buy expensice Aussies that send them near broke. I think so, I also think the reasons the French clubs buy expensive aussies is because they think it can bring something to the club, maybe a more professional attitude, I personally think the money would be better used on Austalian coaches and better junior development............and also because french clubs are amazingly mis-managed! But the FFR13 are trying to change this, I know. |
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Post by Druzik on Sept 23, 2008 18:21:14 GMT 10
That is an interesting observation... never looked at it that way. It may also be why it leads the Elite 1 teams to buy expensice Aussies that send them near broke. I think so, I also think the reasons the French clubs buy expensive aussies is because they think it can bring something to the club, maybe a more professional attitude, I personally think the money would be better used on Austalian coaches and better junior development............and also because french clubs are amazingly mis-managed! But the FFR13 are trying to change this, I know. I think the FFR XIII needs a bit of change in management as well, they tend not to do things well themselves. |
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Post by kuwaitikev on Sept 23, 2008 18:54:13 GMT 10
RL is strong out in the hutt but (really, really not trying to offend anyone here) gernerally league players in the hutt are quite poor so I don't know how many of them could actually come into the stadium for the games. Wellington sure has shown strong supportorship in the past of its teams but the NRL is a very long season so I can't see supporters staying long term. What Wellington needs is more test matches and maybe the odd Warriors match to see if the intrest is still there for another NZ team. OMG I can't believe you said that. Yes the Hutt league boys may be in the lower wage bracket but you'd be surprised how many can afford to go to every Hurricanes or Wellingotn Lions home game. And we are not just talking about players. True fans such as myself who do not have to eat our supper out of the gutter would definately turn up. How is Wgtn going to get more Test matches when there are so few every year, and the Warriors seem allergic to bringing their product south (the Bulldogs have been here more often)? Yes there is a bit of a rivalry between Canterbury and Wellington but nowhere near the rivalry that exists between Auck v Wgtn or Cant v Auck. Anywhere in NZ outside of Auckland loves to beat them and I think a comradery could certainly be born from that. Basically we support Wellington and anyone who beats Auckland round these parts. The shared home base would be far from ideal for the players and management but if thats what it takes to fill the coffers it could be worth it. Like I said it has failed in NZ rugby union before. Do I think it will happen? nope. But I can dream  |
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Post by Ryan N on Sept 23, 2008 19:15:23 GMT 10
Okay, so the points made by the Kiwi's regarding the demand for something to fill in the gap between Super 14 and international test Rugby Matches, what usually lies between them two seasons. The NRL. As said about the Wellington Phoenix soccer club, soccer can be pulling crowds so can League easily. Sponsors, okay yes may be an issue because it is such a small town but if you look at Sydney, population of 4million roughly andhow many clubs from there, plus Swans, FC and many other lower grade clubs who have sponsorship. So yeah, I believe there would be the opportunity for them, 2 or 3 major teams playing top flight competition so I can see the chance that League could get some sponsors as well. We'll see if there's the infrastructure in 2011 when New Zealand host the Rugby World Cup. Stadium however does seem to be an issue and for that reason I could dismiss the idea for a Rugby League team. But you weigh up the options and you have to say it is a possible market. Maybe not before Perth but hey Perth has 4 top flight major teams to support and a similar population why are we not debating this and saying Perth is a given.
Okay, you are entitled to do that however the way in which you do it, is smartalec and overall just trying to be very hostile towards open debate. However, you know, this may not be your intention but rather I just see it that way from my perception of you which could be completely wrong, so excuse me for that.
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Post by Marv on Sept 23, 2008 21:56:07 GMT 10
Okay, so the points made by the Kiwi's regarding the demand for something to fill in the gap between Super 14 and international test Rugby Matches, what usually lies between them two seasons. The NRL. As said about the Wellington Phoenix soccer club, soccer can be pulling crowds so can League easily. it seems to me that wellington FC's crowd fluctuates a hell of a lot, could that be because of Union? Would a 2nd franchise be able to bank on a certain number or would they all scarper when the Union starts or if Wellington FC do well? Again, things we dont know, not living in NZ and all. Sponsors, okay yes may be an issue because it is such a small town but if you look at Sydney, population of 4million roughly andhow many clubs from there, plus Swans, FC and many other lower grade clubs who have sponsorship. So yeah, I believe there would be the opportunity for them, 2 or 3 major teams playing top flight competition so I can see the chance that League could get some sponsors as well. Rugby League in sydney might be slightly lower profile than RL in Wellington, the two places are not comparable. Also, I see Wellington FC have sony on board as sponsor, Soccer as we all know can demand huge sponsors at the click of a finger, I imagine in NZ, as in the UK that League is behind Union and possibly cricket in terms of exposure and therefore sponsors. We'll see if there's the infrastructure in 2011 when New Zealand host the Rugby World Cup. and what would that have to do with the infrastructure of a new RL club? Stadium however does seem to be an issue and for that reason I could dismiss the idea for a Rugby League team. But you weigh up the options and you have to say it is a possible market. but you admit yourself there are other opportunities further on than wellington, such as perth. Okay, you are entitled to do that however the way in which you do it, is smartalec and overall just trying to be very hostile towards open debate. You calling me a smartalec, I have heard it all now.  I am not hostile towards open debate, open debate is having two opinions not everybody agreeing with the same ideas. dictionary.reference.com/browse/debateHowever, you know, this may not be your intention but rather I just see it that way from my perception of you which could be completely wrong, so excuse me for that. I dont come on here with any other intentions but to talk RL, now if you disagree with my points fine, but dont spit your dummy out when i disagree with the madcap ideas on here sometimes. |
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Post by beez on Sept 24, 2008 10:24:29 GMT 10
Wow, theres been a bit of talk on here since I last came on. First off I don't know where the idea of me being older and maybe more knowledgeable came from and I don't think my opinion should be given more weight because of this.
In my opinion there would be enough support for a NRL team in Wellington. I see little problem with Westpac Stadium would be used for home games and the three codes could share it for the small period they have to. If it does get congested one week then they could possibly play a game in Christchurch. The Hutt City Council said they were behind the last bid and gave the go ahead for training facilities etc to be developed at Hutt Park.
With hte funding and sponsorship side of things, I'm not too sure about this area and think the "unidentified billionaire backer" they had was a load of bs. I think there'd certainly be sponsors willing to jump on board given the exposure the Warriors get in NZ.
As for NZ developing a strong domestic comp; I can't see this happening unfortunetly due to the success of the NRL. Young Kiwi playing the game see the NRL and the Warriors as the only place to go if they want to make it. Wellington's team in the Bartercard Cup was pretty much a development team with players staying no more than two seasons then moving off-shore or to Auckland. I can't see an NZ domestic comp being able to win over these players without serious financial backing, and that's not going to come.
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Post by Kiwi fan on Sept 24, 2008 14:41:56 GMT 10
it seems to me that wellington FC's crowd fluctuates a hell of a lot, could that be because of Union? Would a 2nd franchise be able to bank on a certain number or would they all scarper when the Union starts or if Wellington FC do well? Again, things we dont know, not living in NZ and all. The reason for the fluctucations are for several reasons. One week there was a big crowd because if you had a ticket to the Beckham game you got in free for another game. Crowds have dropped off recently as the team is in real poor form. You also said something about sony as the soccer's sponsor. The team is backed up by Terry Serepisos (some property developer or something) and has a really good supporters group. A league team would need to get both of these things to be succesful. I guess one of the reasons why I'm reluctant for a league team in Wellington is because I want the Wellington Phoenix and the Hurricanes/Wellington Lions to go well also. |
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Post by Marv on Sept 24, 2008 16:56:52 GMT 10
Wow, theres been a bit of talk on here since I last came on. First off I don't know where the idea of me being older and maybe more knowledgeable came from and I don't think my opinion should be given more weight because of this. Your modesty is appreciated beez! In my opinion there would be enough support for a NRL team in Wellington. I see little problem with Westpac Stadium would be used for home games and the three codes could share it for the small period they have to. If it does get congested one week then they could possibly play a game in Christchurch. The Hutt City Council said they were behind the last bid and gave the go ahead for training facilities etc to be developed at Hutt Park. more often than not it can get congested with two codes playing at the same venue, Wigan, Saints and Warrington in the UK this year as an example, three could be an all out war for the clubs involved With hte funding and sponsorship side of things, I'm not too sure about this area and think the "unidentified billionaire backer" they had was a load of bs. I think there'd certainly be sponsors willing to jump on board given the exposure the Warriors get in NZ. do the warriors get full nationwide coverage then beez? or is it usually when they are ripping trees up? As for NZ developing a strong domestic comp; I can't see this happening unfortunetly due to the success of the NRL. Young Kiwi playing the game see the NRL and the Warriors as the only place to go if they want to make it. Wellington's team in the Bartercard Cup was pretty much a development team with players staying no more than two seasons then moving off-shore or to Auckland. I can't see an NZ domestic comp being able to win over these players without serious financial backing, and that's not going to come. Thats exactly what i think about the french elite these days, i dont see how people imagine that eventually Catalans will return to a thriving French league with the other proposed French teams in SL. |
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Post by Marv on Sept 24, 2008 17:00:52 GMT 10
The reason for the fluctucations are for several reasons. One week there was a big crowd because if you had a ticket to the Beckham game you got in free for another game. Crowds have dropped off recently as the team is in real poor form. I see I didnt include the Galaxy freindly in my working but it would explain one or two things, Becks could probably pull crowds on the moon! Has form always been an issue for the pheonix crowds? You also said something about sony as the soccer's sponsor. The team is backed up by Terry Serepisos (some property developer or something) and has a really good supporters group. A league team would need to get both of these things to be succesful. Yes, and we have to say are those peple around Beez thinks they can get sponsors, but not a backer. I guess one of the reasons why I'm reluctant for a league team in Wellington is because I want the Wellington Phoenix and the Hurricanes/Wellington Lions to go well also. Do you reguarly watch the Pheonix then Kiwi fan? I noticed one of the guys who plays for them used to play for my club in the UK - Shane Smeltz |
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Post by Kiwi fan on Sept 24, 2008 17:58:14 GMT 10
I see I didnt include the Galaxy freindly in my working but it would explain one or two things, Becks could probably pull crowds on the moon! Has form always been an issue for the pheonix crowds? Yes, and we have to say are those peple around Beez thinks they can get sponsors, but not a backer. Do you reguarly watch the Pheonix then Kiwi fan? I noticed one of the guys who plays for them used to play for my club in the UK - Shane Smeltz The Phoenix have been going for just over a season. They came last last year but still played well and played a good brand so they got crowds. This season they've been rubbish though. Yes, I watch the Phoenix very reguarly. Smeltz is an awesome striker, he's scored all three goals for us this season. He's scored in his last 6 or 7 games for the All Whites as well. |
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Post by Marv on Sept 24, 2008 18:01:54 GMT 10
The Phoenix have been going for just over a season. They came last last year but still played well and played a good brand so they got crowds. This season they've been rubbish though. was there not another NZ side in the A league once, NZ kingz? Yes, I watch the Phoenix very reguarly. Smeltz is an awesome striker, he's scored all three goals for us this season. He's scored in his last 6 or 7 games for the All Whites as well. good on him, i support AFC Wimbledon and Shane played for us a couple of years back, hes a club legend! |
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Post by beez on Sept 24, 2008 18:09:16 GMT 10
do the warriors get full nationwide coverage then beez? or is it usually when they are ripping trees up? Every Warriors match is live on SkyTV and there is delayed coverage on free-to-air tv. Most NRL matches are live with delayed coverage only when they are a couple of games on at the same time. In addition to the Warriors on free-to-air, Prime TV usually show one other NRL match. All NRL games are also replayed a few times during the week. Te Reo (a Maori language channel) also show a delayed NRL game each week with Maori commentary. We also get the two live ESL matches which Sky Sports UK show and Maori Television have been showing one live Bartercard game a week. I think we get a tremendous amount of rugby league coverage in this country and I'm not too sure on the viewership figures and so forth but this indicates a real interest in this country. |
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Post by Kiwi fan on Sept 24, 2008 18:14:31 GMT 10
The Phoenix have been going for just over a season. They came last last year but still played well and played a good brand so they got crowds. This season they've been rubbish though. was there not another NZ side in the A league once, NZ kingz? Yes, I watch the Phoenix very reguarly. Smeltz is an awesome striker, he's scored all three goals for us this season. He's scored in his last 6 or 7 games for the All Whites as well. good on him, i support AFC Wimbledon and Shane played for us a couple of years back, hes a club legend! The Kigz wern't in the A-league but they were in some Ozzy competition which was going at that stage. The Kingz changed to the Knights who were in the A League for two seasons. |
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Post by Kiwi fan on Sept 24, 2008 18:16:19 GMT 10
do the warriors get full nationwide coverage then beez? or is it usually when they are ripping trees up? Every Warriors match is live on SkyTV and there is delayed coverage on free-to-air tv. Most NRL matches are live with delayed coverage only when they are a couple of games on at the same time. In addition to the Warriors on free-to-air, Prime TV usually show one other NRL match. All NRL games are also replayed a few times during the week. Te Reo (a Maori language channel) also show a delayed NRL game each week with Maori commentary. We also get the two live ESL matches which Sky Sports UK show and Maori Television have been showing one live Bartercard game a week. I think we get a tremendous amount of rugby league coverage in this country and I'm not too sure on the viewership figures and so forth but this indicates a real interest in this country. It's pretty good coverage. I wish prime showed their replay at a better time surely they could just show them the next day. Even the next week would be better then at midnight when the games are often on. |
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Post by beez on Sept 24, 2008 18:19:25 GMT 10
was there not another NZ side in the A league once, NZ kingz? Another example of the kind of support in Wellington over Auckland. The Kingz, and then the Knights, were based in Auckland and struggled for support. I know the Phoenix are still new but the support is there for them even though they were last and are again struggling. They did a fantastic job promoting the team last year and with that sort of promotion for a league team I think you could double the crowd figures of the Phoenix. Shane Smeltz is hardly a household name in Wellington but I bet a Wellington NRL team would be able to sign numerous household names. |
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