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Post by arh21980 on Mar 16, 2010 0:00:24 GMT 10
There were about 3 or 4 penalties against Manly for hitting a falling player high with a swinging arm. Rose's was by far the worst, the rest were all deserving of a penalty, nothing more. I thought the two incidents i saw (didnt get a decent reliable stream until 30+ mins), both involving rose i think, were certain pens. That was Kite |
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Post by arh21980 on Mar 16, 2010 0:02:50 GMT 10
It went both ways, accidental or not there was still contact with the head. Ahh no it didn't Heighton got done for 5 ruck infringements and Farah didn't get warned at all. After Lyon got warned that took the sting out of Manly's defence. |
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Post by Marv on Mar 16, 2010 2:49:01 GMT 10
It went both ways, accidental or not there was still contact with the head. Ahh no it didn't Heighton got done for 5 ruck infringements and Farah didn't get warned at all. After Lyon got warned that took the sting out of Manly's defence. As a Manly fan your bound to say that though  |
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Post by arh21980 on Mar 16, 2010 10:12:39 GMT 10
Ahh no it didn't Heighton got done for 5 ruck infringements and Farah didn't get warned at all. After Lyon got warned that took the sting out of Manly's defence. As a Manly fan your bound to say that though No just want consistancy in the refereeing. If he's/she's going to warn one side about infringements they have to do the same when the other side starts getting penalised for the exact same thing. It's the same as the Titans game, the Warriors had a lot of dodgy decisions go against them (but that happens a lot to sides that play at Skilled Staduim). And if you go to see that game the Titans were against the ropes in the first half. |
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Post by Marv on Mar 16, 2010 17:31:39 GMT 10
If you say so mate, the officials dont go into the game thinking theyre gonna favour one side or the other, if you think they are your really showing you have a limited knowledge of the game, or your being a fanboy.
As I said from what I saw of the Manly/Wests game the reffing was pretty much standard for both sides, as a fan of one side your gonna see what you want.
The fact is that despite having the ref against them your boys got out to a 20 point lead, its not the ref who let that slip.
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Post by arh21980 on Mar 17, 2010 0:34:53 GMT 10
Hearing stories of Manly fans being spat on, threaten with violence, beer being thrown on them (I hope) (and secondly who wastes beer??) at last night's game. A few supporter's are emailing both the Tiger's and NRL to hopefully weed out the idiots.
We don't mind the banter of being 'silvertails etc' but that type of crap shouldn't be on regardless of which club you support. And if they want to act like feral's have the NRL strip the club of there club's points from that game or do what they do in Europe with the soccer ban the fans for the game.
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Post by arh21980 on Mar 17, 2010 16:07:53 GMT 10
If you say so mate, the officials dont go into the game thinking theyre gonna favour one side or the other, if you think they are your really showing you have a limited knowledge of the game, or your being a fanboy. As I said from what I saw of the Manly/Wests game the reffing was pretty much standard for both sides, as a fan of one side your gonna see what you want. The fact is that despite having the ref against them your boys got out to a 20 point lead, its not the ref who let that slip. Had to laugh at some tiger's supporters claiming the game had as niggle as what happen in as games from the 70's. Please if that was the case they wouldn't have got the high shot penalties from Foran, Kite and Rose. The ref would said get up and play the ball you soft so and so. |
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Post by supersteve on Mar 17, 2010 19:10:46 GMT 10
Manly deserved all they got in that game IMO.
In fact, I thought someone should have been sent for 10 earlier in the game. It seemed almost as though they were trying to get away with as much dirty stuff as they could, without actually breaking any rules. There was even an instance towards the end of the game where manly put a kick up to the tigers in-goal, the tigers player easily cleaned it up, the manly chaser was never a chance at regaining the ball and on his way through after the tigers player took the ball put a huge swinging arm straight into his ribs.
I thought they played fairly dirty TBH.
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Post by sportsmad on Mar 17, 2010 19:27:12 GMT 10
do manly go out of the way to deliberately not sign players with x-factor? they have to be one of the most boring bloody clubs in the whole league. they give the raiders a huge run for their money. i live around here and still never hear about them! i know they have a no media policy but bloody hell. how do they expect to attract fans
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Post by arh21980 on Mar 18, 2010 0:01:53 GMT 10
do manly go out of the way to deliberately not sign players with x-factor? they have to be one of the most boring bloody clubs in the whole league. they give the raiders a huge run for their money. i live around here and still never hear about them! i know they have a no media policy but bloody hell. how do they expect to attract fans The club has had a tendacy to get burnt by the media (via news limited especially). |
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Post by sportsmad on Mar 18, 2010 8:40:57 GMT 10
because they have such a bad relationship with them where they refuse to grant inteviews and have cut off all rapport . every club has been burnt by the media. if u havent, u've failed as a club.
imagine if billy slater or greag inglis was based at brookie! huge blow to union.
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Post by arh21980 on Mar 18, 2010 11:19:45 GMT 10
because they have such a bad relationship with them where they refuse to grant inteviews and have cut off all rapport . every club has been burnt by the media. if u havent, u've failed as a club. imagine if billy slater or greag inglis was based at brookie! huge blow to union. But our bad relationship with the Media started in the 70's. With the Silvertail thing. I bet you didn't know it was Chris Masters who started it (Roy Masters brother who was coaching Wests at the time) and the public bought it hook, line and sinker. |
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Post by sportsmad on Mar 18, 2010 18:25:38 GMT 10
your right , i wasnt aware of that.
this is 2010 though. a club needs publicity to put bums on seats.
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Post by arh21980 on Mar 18, 2010 19:13:37 GMT 10
your right , i wasnt aware of that. this is 2010 though. a club needs publicity to put bums on seats. oh check the Manly thread we have some exciting news on the running of the club |
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Post by arh21980 on Mar 21, 2010 15:55:29 GMT 10
Overzealous whistling deals our code a blow
PHIL GOULD
March 21, 2010
For the record, let me state yet again: our referees are being over-coached, and rugby league at the NRL level is being over-refereed.
With the start of every new season I silently pray to the football gods that there will be no need for us to criticise refereeing or rule interpretations. It would be lovely to just go each week and enjoy the football.
By the end of Friday night's Rabbits v Titans clash, this 2010 competition was only 10 matches old, and already I found myself kicking stones along the footpath in total confusion at what our referees' boss is trying to do to our game.
This followed 82 minutes of pulling my hair out as I painfully watched yet another game ruined by overzealous refereeing.
Well might the NRL spin doctors say this match was closely fought, culminating in a nail-biting thriller; but it is how we got there that had fans at the ground howling with disapproval at the officiating on the night. In most cases, the end does not justify the means.
I just can't stand it any more. I honestly don't know how the players stand it either.
Pedantic penalty after pedantic penalty ruined this Friday clash, and I see too many examples of this throughout the season.
The penalty count grew until we got to the now-obligatory hold-up in which the captain gets his penalty-count caution from the referee as per instructions from the referees' boss. (I am starting a petition to ban the referee caution. These repetitive and rote-learnt lectures sound more like those annoying recorded phone messages you get when you call to complain about your utilities bill rather than grown men conversing with players.)
As a result of this string of penalties, these poor referees then got themselves into sin-bin territory (as per instructions from the referees' boss), eventually marching one player from each team to the dressing rooms at the most inopportune of times, for relatively minor, if not ridiculous, indiscretions. Ten minutes in the sin bin, at the times these penalties were administered, represented massive and unfair penalties in the context of the game.
It must be totally frustrating for the highly trained athletes who play this game to be continually reduced to nothing more than choreographed dancers as they spend most of their time trying to please the man with the whistle rather than competing with their opponent.
When you watch your team defend, you find yourself just waiting for the whistle to blow. The majority of the time it's unbelievably frustrating because you know the player being penalised was doing everything in his power not to be penalised.
I go to football to watch the players play. I want to see toughness, grit, commitment, speed, skill and flair. I don't go to games to watch a referee trying to conduct the contest with a baton to the beat of a boss who has lost touch with what this game is supposed to be about.
I do not blame the referees. I actually feel for these blokes - they are being treated like brainless robots, programmed to perform mechanical and menial tasks rather than using their experience, knowledge, discretion and feel for the game.
I blame the referees' coaches and the way they have submitted to the wishes and complaining of NRL coaches on the way tackles and marker play should be interpreted in our game.
This maniacal obsession with the speed of the play-the-ball drives me insane - fans must be totally confused at what constitutes a penalty and what doesn't.
The referees' advisors have tried to manufacture black-and-white, non-negotiable interpretations to parts of the game that should be left to the discretion and judgement of the man with the whistle. Surely referees at this level know the difference between what is unnecessary delay of the game and what is simply a case of the attacker and defender competing for dominance - as our game was meant to be.
You don't have to pick up on every little thing. Half a second here or there in the play-the-ball is not going to make the world of difference in the overall scheme of a match. On many occasions you are rewarding a ball carrier with a penalty he doesn't deserve.
I don't blame the players either. The standard of football I see is a credit to their elite talent and superior athletic ability. We get some absolutely scintillating contests when the players are allowed to play and the referees just melt into the background.
Why is it that some referees can control a match with hardly any penalties and deliver a great spectacle, while other referees feel obliged to blow the pea out of their whistle, interrupting the flow of the match and annoying everyone in earshot?
We are in the entertainment business. Fans fall in love with great players and memorable moments - not referees and rules. We have to let them play and we have to let them get at each other.
I appreciate the difficulty in trying to balance a set of rules that gives both attack and defence equal opportunity to shine. But what I see way too much is referees continually searching to penalise technical breaches rather than exhibiting a feel for the moment.
The referees can be so slack in their policing of major issues, yet excruciatingly painful in the way they punish seemingly insignificant actions. I'm not obsessed with absolute consistency.
I simply want them to be fair and reasonable.
I'm sure the referees know exactly what I mean. The last thing we want is for our great product to deteriorate into an abyss of technical rulings and interpretations.
Have you tried to watch rugby union lately? This is a perfect example of allowing referees and technical rules interpretations to destroy the enjoyment of watching a sporting contest. Rugby is dying a slow painful death as a television sport simply because the play is dominated by the policing of unseen indiscretions.
In rugby league these days, there are too many games each and every weekend where I feel as though I am watching a referee trying to impress his boss rather than control a game of football.
Too many of our referees appear obsessed with the most pedantic infringements that conflict the "key performance indicators" drummed into their heads by the hugely expensive referee coaching division that totally overplays its role, simply to justify its existence rather than to make rugby league a better game.
I appeal to the referees' boss to tone down the robot programming mentality.
Come on, men; it's not that hard. Let the players play and let the games flow. Give the referees some scope for feel and discretion.
Don't let that rubbish we saw on Friday night be the benchmark for officialdom in our great game.
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