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Post by England 3 Lions on May 24, 2009 13:08:34 GMT 10
If several rl boards are to be believed Cronulla are about to go to the wall. Also what about Newtown? Newtown were a successful club for many decades. The Sharks have been successful for 30 odd years. The Queensland Roar have only been around for a few years, and never been a success off the field. Therefore, it's hard to compare the Roar with the Jets and the Sharks. |
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Post by Druzik on May 24, 2009 14:50:08 GMT 10
If several rl boards are to be believed Cronulla are about to go to the wall. Also what about Newtown? Newtown were a successful club for many decades. The Sharks have been successful for 30 odd years. The Queensland Roar have only been around for a few years, and never been a success off the field. Therefore, it's hard to compare the Roar with the Jets and the Sharks. The structure of the comps back then was different too, you had three senior grades and 4 division that teams would play in. Cronulla were succesful in the old reserve grade and presidents cup grade. Newtown always struggles financially, but thats what made the club so popular, that is was what RL was all about, but in the end its supporter base was whittled away by having 3 big clubs around it, Sts, Balmain, and Souths. It went for a last stab to save itself by buying Raudonikas, Gould and Blacklock, but was to no avail... even with John Singleton donating money didnt help. |
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Post by England 3 Lions on May 24, 2009 15:50:53 GMT 10
Newtown were a successful club for many decades. The Sharks have been successful for 30 odd years. The Queensland Roar have only been around for a few years, and never been a success off the field. Therefore, it's hard to compare the Roar with the Jets and the Sharks. The structure of the comps back then was different too, you had three senior grades and 4 division that teams would play in. Cronulla were succesful in the old reserve grade and presidents cup grade. Newtown always struggles financially, but thats what made the club so popular, that is was what RL was all about, but in the end its supporter base was whittled away by having 3 big clubs around it, Sts, Balmain, and Souths. It went for a last stab to save itself by buying Raudonikas, Gould and Blacklock, but was to no avail... even with John Singleton donating money didnt help. In other words, Newtown was a well-supported club in its day. The Queensland Roar have never been a well supported club. |
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Post by Druzik on May 24, 2009 16:37:35 GMT 10
The structure of the comps back then was different too, you had three senior grades and 4 division that teams would play in. Cronulla were succesful in the old reserve grade and presidents cup grade. Newtown always struggles financially, but thats what made the club so popular, that is was what RL was all about, but in the end its supporter base was whittled away by having 3 big clubs around it, Sts, Balmain, and Souths. It went for a last stab to save itself by buying Raudonikas, Gould and Blacklock, but was to no avail... even with John Singleton donating money didnt help. In other words, Newtown was a well-supported club in its day. The Queensland Roar have never been a well supported club. Look in the old days a 5-6k crowd in RL was considered to be great... andything that hit 5 figures was unheard of.... RL had its first massive surge in popularity in the early 80s whiooith parra winning and new clubs from illawarra and Canberra coming in. crowds started to hit 10k + more regularly but newtown couldnt do that since its fan base, literally 3 suburbs was all it had. Thiei last home game was 8972... a number that is given every single home game... that was thei biggest in ages... Its was sad to see their demise, but they ended up dying a natural death, decided to shut up shop, but the leagues club and memories were kept alive and in 1990 finally revived in the Metroplitan cup and now they have moved up through the grades and sit in the NSW cup. The regularly pull 2-3k crowds which is pretty good and they are a feeder for the roosters and have alot of high profile fans.... john Singleton still gives about $300,000 a year... I have drunk with him on occasion in the brick bunker they call a 'corporate box' out at Henson Park. ;D |
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Post by England 3 Lions on May 25, 2009 14:43:41 GMT 10
John Singleton sounds like a generous bloke.
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Post by Druzik on May 25, 2009 16:40:32 GMT 10
John Singleton sounds like a generous bloke. Singo"s awesom... one of the richest men in Aus and as Yobbo as you get.  He still drived around ina beat up old jaguar... well he did when he came to the ground... its was halarious, everone knew when he arrived from that piece of crap he drove. |
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Post by Marv on May 28, 2009 20:36:41 GMT 10
Sydney FC represents an 4,500,000 people, yet it fails to draw large crowds to its matches. If there was just one NRL team in Sydney, then it would probably draw 50,000 or more fans to its home matches. You would imagine if all the people in Sydney were as keen on the NRL as you claim then it shouldnt be a problem, especially since league has been in a competetive comp for nearly 80 years longer than Soccer. Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Finland and USA. In Canada, the number one code of football is Canadian football. The CFL is easily the country's most attended football competition. Ice hockey is number one in Finland and Canada. In Finland, a baseball-like sport holds a larger standing than football. Football will never be anything more than India's 2nd or 3rd most popular sport. Cricket will always be number one in India. If you walk down any Indian village then you'll see kids playing cricket, advertising signs featuring cricketers and structured cricket matches taking place. Some of the Indian kids who were killed by the 2004 tsunami were playing cricket at the time. I never heard of any children playing football. If the small crowd at the China vs Australia match from a few years ago is anything to go by, then the sport has a long way to go before it can overtake ping pong as the country's number one sport. A China vs Australia basketball match would have drawn a capacity attendance. You dont seem to grasp that Soccer does not need to be the number one sport in these countries, the fact it has a large presence is good enough. The fact it has major commerce ready to back it is enough, the fact players from the countries you mentioned are competing in the best European leagues. No matter which part of the US you go to, you'll find that American football is the number one code of football. Are you looking for a job in stateing the obvious? quote author=england3lions board=othersport thread=632 post=8384 time=1243075992] Football is mostly played at the recreational level in Australia. The A-League's season is held during the summer months because it cannot compete with rugby league, rugby union and Australian rules football..[/quote] Football is mostly played at recreational level in all countries, not every player in every country is a pro, whats your point? A lot of kids play the game, but it has never caught on at the elite level. The introduction of Pele (spelling?) during the 60's and/or 70's failed to win over the people. The 94 world cup failed to win over the people. Beckham failed to win over the people. No matter how hard you look at the situation, you can only conclude that football (soccer) has failed miserably in the USA.. I wouldnt say the signing of the worlds most recognised players and the production of a string of players for Europes top leagues was a miserable failure myself. All this had happened since the 94 world cup, which is where soccer really started for the USA, becasue your right in saying the superstars brought over in the 70s was not succesful, the MLS is big business despite it being the smallest sport in the US major leagues. The FFA fought for inclusion in Asia because Oceania is unproductive. The lack of quality opposition in Oceania meant that the Australian team rarely played in meaningful competitions, thus leading to them drawing less money from sponsors. Plus, it was believed that it would be easier to qualify for the World Cup by defeating the fairly weak Asian nations, than it was to defeat the 5th placed South American team, which is what the number one country from Oceania was required to do, in a two leg play-off, for many years. Yes, after this post I belive you are looking for a job in stateing the obvious. I don't think I said anything about either nation. All I said is the game's strength lies in South America and the Old World nations from Europe. The Muslims are quite keen on it too, but I think that'll change once they've gained more exposure to rugby league.. My mistake, in your saying "new world" I saw the countries whos economies have produced them new found wealth, such as China or India. You're talking about English families. The situation in England is much different, thus having a different affect on single fathers. In England, young women drop out of school and fall pregnant so they can obtain a council estate and welfare. The situation isn't as bad in Australia. It seems your being very stereotypical of single mothers in that regard, some dont ask to be knocked up by their B/F who hasnt got the balls to stick around. The cost of living in England is different too. In Australia, especially in the southern states, the cost of living is very expensive. I never realised it until my sister moved to England. I was dumbfounded when I learned that it was cheaper to order in a rugby league/cricket jersey from England than it was to buy one from an Australian store. In Australia, they routinely cost $150. You can buy them in England for around £45. When you convert that to Australian dollars, it works out much cheaper. In general, the cost of clothes, pay TV, furniture and electronic goods is overpriced in Australia. . I cant really comment on that one. Unfortunately, many of them end up looking up to the wrong sort of men. A lot of them go on to idolise gangsters. That is a fair point and probably the general rule but it is not alway the case, again you have to take each case as it comes I suppose. I cannot recall a rugby league team needing the NRL to buy 51% of its share so it could stay afloat. Perhaps the 51% share was a purposeful move, its an amount that would seed control of the club (any business) to that shareholder, in effect the FFA was babysitting this troubled club, perhaps it didnt need the full 51% but it was nessacery to take control, I dont know, and as I have said, it happens in business and we look at the sharks and the Warriors before them, money has stumped thes RL clubs in the past, and wholesale changes were needed to take the clubs forwad again. You were speaking about the high profile men who run the A-League clubs. I just let you know that some high profile men are involved in the NRL, too. Obviosly I know about Crowes involvment with SSR, I wouldnt be much of a league fan if I didnt!! And to summarise, Im not comparing Football to League, the two sports mean a lot to me, I prefer League but you cannot deny Footballs popularity and widespread appeal, to suggest it isnt it clutcing at straws and the arguament is weak. |
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Post by Marv on May 28, 2009 20:39:07 GMT 10
If several rl boards are to be believed Cronulla are about to go to the wall. Also what about Newtown? Newtown were a successful club for many decades. The Sharks have been successful for 30 odd years. The Queensland Roar have only been around for a few years, and never been a success off the field. Therefore, it's hard to compare the Roar with the Jets and the Sharks. It is, one is a fledgling club playing a small sport in that country, the other is a established club who have support all over the country and whose game is one of the most popular in the country. Who would be expected to survive and who would you suggest needs the help and can be excused for taking any help on offer? |
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Post by Marv on May 28, 2009 20:53:25 GMT 10
Right guys also I am bored with the is Football good or not arguament, some forum members like the game, some forum members hate the game and some Im sure dont care, please can we continue the Soccer-Football thread as it was intended.............To discuss the games that are being played
Thanks guys
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Post by Marv on May 28, 2009 20:56:33 GMT 10
Barcelona are the new european champions, they beat Man utd in a pretty tense game in Rome, the event went off well with little trouble reported in Rome, Congrats to Barca, a great footballing team and Im sure not too many people can argue with the outcome.
Also comiserations to Newcastle who have been relegated from the Premier league for the first time in over 15 years.
And finally what about Little Burnley, my birds family are from Burnley and I can assure you a few hangovers were nursed in the little ex-textile town close to the Lancs/Yorks border
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Post by Druzik on May 28, 2009 21:35:56 GMT 10
Barcelona are the new european champions, they beat Man utd in a pretty tense game in Rome, the event went off well with little trouble reported in Rome, Congrats to Barca, a great footballing team and Im sure not too many people can argue with the outcome. Nyeh ... I'll get excited when its a Catalonian team winning the world club championship in RL ... 2 goals hey... any good shoulder charges? Gateshead for Super League! What about Burnley?  ;D |
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Post by Marv on May 29, 2009 16:59:58 GMT 10
Nyeh ... I'll get excited when its a Catalonian team winning the world club championship in RL ... 2 goals hey... any good shoulder charges? Well, I hope we see a Catalonian side win the WCC too mate  Gateshead for Super League! I thought the same thing, Its not impossible to suggest a few fans might float around and go to a thunder game instead of watching Newcastle V Scunthorpe |
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Post by Ryan N on May 29, 2009 23:37:16 GMT 10
Also comiserations to Newcastle who have been relegated from the Premier league for the first time in over 15 years. I just noticed what that meant because I was distracted by the post after or before or something but yeah, if they (soccer) stay down a level Rugby League could take off? Although I do not know how English soccer culture is and the fan base for soccer in the country (and Newcastle). |
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Post by Marv on Jun 2, 2009 0:28:40 GMT 10
I just noticed what that meant because I was distracted by the post after or before or something but yeah, if they (soccer) stay down a level Rugby League could take off? Although I do not know how English soccer culture is and the fan base for soccer in the country (and Newcastle). Newcastle is soccer mad, but they also want the best soccer that can be given to them, Geordies (newcastle folk) are also notoriously tight and wouldnt want to pay the extortianate prices that following the club in the second tier would cost them. For me if Gateshead could tap into 5% of Newcastle Uniteds fan base it would be a massive sucsess. |
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Post by muffdiver on Jun 2, 2009 4:21:09 GMT 10
Brilliant to see Newcastle relegated ........................... most loyal fans in the world my arse!!!
As for rl tapping into this ................................ not a chance, Newcastle is soccer through & through.
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