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Post by jim on Aug 25, 2009 21:23:00 GMT 10
As long as both those clubs have Australians playing in key positions then France wont build squat, they will just have what they have now, a squad full of Forwards and average squad players. players like Bosc, Greenshields, Baile and Barthau (future)?  I don't think france are that bad off for backs TBH, they have some depth in the Wings, a good centre. All they really need is a five-eight or halfback to partner Bosc and a fullback, here's hoping Greenshields and McGuire. |
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Post by jim on Aug 25, 2009 21:28:07 GMT 10
would the Celtic crusaders debacle be a great opportunity for Le Catalan dragons to pick up a player like josh hannay at a bargain price. they are very uniquely placed here,, just as they were with the Greg bird scenario. no club wants to build their team around bad boys but with UK border agencies severely toughening their visa restriction Le Catalan could pick up quite a few players. As a Catalans fan - "NO!" We don't need any more Australians, you can have Bell back if you want . Besides we have a full quota for next year. Also they would never buy him simply because they will have to make 13 trips to the UK that he won't be allowed to play in. They have all been banned from the UK for 10 years. |
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Post by jim on Aug 25, 2009 21:29:54 GMT 10
Also they would never buy him simply because they will have to make 13 trips to the UK that he won't be allowed to play in. They have all been banned from the UK for 10 years. On second thoughts that would rule him out of playing for the SL club, maybe USAP or other Elite clubs should look at him, as mentioned elsewhere Duggan and Quinn have signed for Lezignan. |
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Post by sportsmad on Aug 26, 2009 9:15:47 GMT 10
ah, that makes sense then. no point having players that can only play half the games i guess. i stand corrected
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Post by Marv on Aug 26, 2009 18:42:55 GMT 10
As long as both those clubs have Australians playing in key positions then France wont build squat, they will just have what they have now, a squad full of Forwards and average squad players. players like Bosc, Greenshields, Baile and Barthau (future)? I don't think france are that bad off for backs TBH, they have some depth in the Wings, a good centre. All they really need is a five-eight or halfback to partner Bosc and a fullback, here's hoping Greenshields and McGuire. This fuss over Baille is funny, the guy cannot defend for toffee, If we are serious about him being a 3/4 then that aspect of his game needs sorting. Bosc is the only genuine star in France at the moment for me and even then I have said a million times he just cant do it all alone, therefore that proves that France needs French players in key positions if they are to improve. I also feel its pretty daft to group Barthau in there when he has barley played a first grade game. |
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Post by Marv on Aug 26, 2009 18:44:21 GMT 10
As a Catalans fan - "NO!" We don't need any more Australians, you can have Bell back if you want . Besides we have a full quota for next year. agreed mate, Hannay has done nothing for the crusaders I would be livid to see him at the dragons. |
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Post by Druzik on Sept 28, 2009 7:47:28 GMT 10
So Leeds have chosen Catalands in their semi... www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=15469this weill be interesting, Cats have the momentum coming in now and could provide the upset! Damn, two team I really like! Can leeds make history and do 3 in a row, can Cats make history and win from 8th! do we dare go for the upsets, Catalans vs. Wigan GF! |
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Post by sportsmad on Nov 6, 2009 17:06:15 GMT 10
wow, woulcd we see three french teams in the comp in 2012...
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Post by jim on Nov 6, 2009 20:07:41 GMT 10
wow, woulcd we see three french teams in the comp in 2012... HOLY SHIT! If this eventuate it's massive news! Gives the franchise applications in 2012 a massive shakeup. I don't think anybody can complain about it if it happen (but they will), if this oppurtunity falls on the RFL's lap they won't say no. |
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Post by Druzik on Nov 6, 2009 20:53:37 GMT 10
RIP LER and French Rugtby League
I don't like this one bit. It wont help the french or English cause at all.
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Post by supersteve on Nov 6, 2009 21:30:13 GMT 10
Whys that Druzik?, Id like to hear your thoughts.
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Post by Druzik on Nov 7, 2009 8:40:51 GMT 10
Well, its a dangerous precedent on several fronts.
I am worried that the ESL and NRL are puuting all their eggs in one basket. Instead of trying to help other nations bring their local comp up to some sort of level where they can be more competitive, a second and even a third team in the Super leage will slowly start to kill and bleed off the best players from the local comp into the ESL. You will start to get the issue where the FRench players will start to jump ship. The LER will become a fourth rate comp where only old hacks fo ot reture (more so than it is now). It wont inspire any of the locals, not the way the LER does as the moment.
You will get a situation like with New Zealand, who used to have a pretty decent domestic competition but now is ragged and rund down simply because you now have an NRL team in Auckland and also the NRL pulling all the best youngsters and leving the "dregs" in the local com. You can see this in the Rugby Union also with the NPC suffering because of the Stupor 14.
The ols BRL is another vcase in point, in what was one of the best and most vibrant comp, it collapsed within 5 years of the Broncos and Gold Coast coming in.
Another thing what happens if a team falls over, all that money spent that could have been better used into developing a strong local comp and junior base? Its the reason I am against a PNG team in the NRL, $20 million for one team can be better used to imporve the local comp dtandards, conditions for their players and keep the money in PNG, not the NRL.
Again we need to look at other successful international sports... namely soccer. Its success is driven that there are about 10 big domestic compeitions that drive the quality, that when you have compeition is drives and strives teams to be better. EPL, Spain, Itlay, France, Germany, South America, USA they all compete for the best players and drive the money and quality. Rugby league needs something similar. NRL, SL, LER, RRL, AMNRL, NZRL are where I would be looking to drive the money.
The other thing that happens when you start putting everything into one bascket is that things become monotone... you will have everytone playing exactly the same style and there wont be the variation of different styles. You would invariably loose the French running game and the PNG flair and be replaced with the same "boring" style that is in the NRL say.
One of the masive things to come out of this years NRL was Parramatta... Gus gould and everyone got "excited" about the unpredictable style tthe Eels played and that it was great to see something different from all the other teams... I chuckled to myself becayse for 3 years I had watched exactly the same thing in the LER so many times. Its low % rugby league but its a great style to watch and a lot of fun and when it comes off spectacular.
We dont want to loose the character of the game which again by putting everything into one basket we are in danger of doing.
I will have a blog up hopefully in the next couple days on how I would go about re-vamping the NRL including teams to bring in.
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Post by supersteve on Nov 7, 2009 8:51:56 GMT 10
Interesting points. From the outside when you first look at it, it looks like a great thing having someone wanting to pump money into our game in France, but I guess there are a lot of downsides.
I guess then it'd be preferrable for someone like this to put their money into the whole domestic league, rather than just the one team.
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Post by sportsmad on Nov 7, 2009 9:50:37 GMT 10
im going to be a bit negative here and say im not sure we will ever see another major league comp in europe or oceania rather than the NRL and ESL. IMO the best thing we can hope for is that these comps become totally decentralised. were seeing this more with the ESL than the NRL as they generally manufacture their expansion team more than the NRL who wait for a great business plan from an expansion bid (and i do mean great , its phenomonally hard to get an NRL team). In 50 years time the NRL could have 3 NZ teams, Perth , Adeliade, possible 2 melbourne teams, maybe PNG and 5 Sydney teams. nobody knows. ESL now has a welsh team , what looks good to be at least 2 french teams in 2012, a london team.....
however , IF a third major comp is to rival one of these two its definalty europe due to the large number of countries.
the only comp i can see that wont be gobled up by a "regional" NRL or ESL would be the american comp. this is primarily because theyre in a continent of their own.
as for a consortium significaltly backing the development of the whole game in a country, highly unlikely to happen. it could be argued that rupert murdoch tried to do this. private investors almost always buy out or create one club. eric watson with warriors , max delamge & scott penn with manly, russell crowe and pete holmesacourt with souths......
the best we can hope for is a very succesful club that the RFL or NRL can take a percentage of profits from and invest into the game.
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Post by Druzik on Nov 7, 2009 17:16:54 GMT 10
In the short term its the LER and AMNRL wher I would pump money into to get them to some sort of professionalism.
NZRL would be next, but they really need to come up with a more stabel structure... time will tell.
PNG would be fantastic... if not just for the locals but some of the NRL players to go and end their careers and give the game a bit more profile in Aus.
The PNG NRL bid is reportedly looking at a $20 million a year bid... now dont you think that kind of monet would be better spent going into local teams and infrastructure and paying the locals. I am sure many of them would love to see some of that cash rather than into the pockets of the Aussie administrators and invariably the Aussie players that would play in such a team.
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