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Post by Druzik on Jan 30, 2009 21:30:10 GMT 10
Really... the GS is so overarted these days... teams play that tour so much its completely lost it lustre. If NH teams are not going to be willing to put out full teams for tours then aFAIK they shoudl dich them... IRU has become a bit of a joke these days I think. Dont say that the European Tours fill the coffers at the end of a year  Looks like this isnt even enough for the RFU mate. The hide of having to sell tickets to the general public... to the plebs... well I never! www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-1132005/RFU-braced-10m-shortfall-England-sell-Six-Nations.html |
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Post by Druzik on Jan 31, 2009 9:39:36 GMT 10
I completley disagree, the nerves in an origin game could make the best of players drop a ball, you have said yourself you feel its over hyped, that probably gets into the players head too. I honestly belive that QLD and NSW could beat GB or NZ 99 times out of 100 If Origin palyers are poor why do the same players beat Eng and Nz on a regualr basis? But nerves are there in any big game... I think games like CC have as much pressure in there as its a knockout comp. See I dont agree with the orign teams... I have gone back and looked at the 2008 and 2007 series... yes gig hits and intense and some gteat breaks... but the RL ISNT anything that GB/England cannot produce. The sma players beat GB because everyone gets sold and bullshited that they are better... they are psychologically beaten before they get on the field... I have argues this many a time Marv... even you have seen that in the past. Nah, there isnt one that I can think of, most of our players fail in the NRL, never mid asking them to step up to Origin |
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Post by Marv on Jan 31, 2009 20:13:13 GMT 10
But nerves are there in any big game... I think games like CC have as much pressure in there as its a knockout comp. See I dont agree with the orign teams... I have gone back and looked at the 2008 and 2007 series... yes gig hits and intense and some gteat breaks... but the RL ISNT anything that GB/England cannot produce.. I disagree, 90% of Super League players would buckle under the pressure the ferocity, you compare it to CC, its only comparison could possibly the Final, even then i feel your way off the mark. The sma players beat GB because everyone gets sold and bullshited that they are better... they are psychologically beaten before they get on the field... I have argues this many a time Marv... even you have seen that in the past. I think thats got more to do with having not won a series for 30 years rather than Origin, the players are conditioned not to listen to the Media. I agree they are sometimes Psychologocally beaten before hand but I personally think thats becasue Origin hardens Australian players Psycologically, rather than weakening England players, in fact many players would probably be offended by such a comment. Not that many Aussies make the grade in teh ESL either I think Morley set the standard high for poms in the NRL... he was outstanding... not many aussies even reach his level.. Sorry dan but thats garbage, Hundreds of Aussies make the grade, good quality imports, average 1st graders and journeymen who have barely played 20 1st grade games. Sure some go back but the numbers are staggering, back to Senior and Gleeson, they were picked becasue not enough clubs have English qualified players. Tony smith picked a halfback playing inthe second division becasue there is no-one else, Wellens was our FB and embarresingly out of his depth, why did he go, becasue there is no-one else and wellens plays and wins most of his games at saints without much hassle, when out of his comfort zone, he buckled. Again see my comments on GB psychologically being beaten. They may not go out wnating to loose but they have in their heads that the kangaroos are invincible No, if thats the case why do England get into good positions early on in Tests, then proceed to get beaten, that happend twice against NZ? Its becasue the Austalian sysyem NRL+Origin is of a higher intensity ... I hope the Kiwis have shown otherwise now. I can accept that, but I think a corner has been turned... we will see Aus fail moer now I think. It was a fluke, I think 80% of Kiwi fans would agree, if the game was played again Aus would win, Aus won every game in the comp by a landslide mate, come on! but what do you mean by high intensity marv? simple, when you wacth an Origin game your glued to the game, I barely turn away for a second, the defence is hard and uncomprimising, the forward battles are often brutal and the skill of the backs can turn a game in a second, wactching England defend like school children against Aus and NZ just doesnt even compare. but these guys are dependent on the halves to set them up... the GB ones are good enough I feel, just need confidence to set their guys up. I bet if you had thurston and lokyer in the GB team then your wingers, centers and FB would also look great. No dan, I'm sorry but Folau and Inglis can mkake things happen themselves, but in many ways you have almost admitted that with a combo forged in Origin- Lockyer and Thurston, England would be better. If we had a similar thing, Yorkshires Leon Pyce and Rob Burrow would have had a chance to get a game together instead of bashing each other up in the only game the UK has that could resemble an NRL game- Leeds v Saints. actuall on other forums have seen people still rate them. There not bad players, never were, but they are not upto the standard of the NRL players, Senior is 30+ and his big barge has been well and truly found out. But the fact remains we HAVE to rate them, there are nopt other Centres, I would imagine one if not both will be the centres next year too Disagree... in the end if you take IRL away from oz I think people will get fed up and it would take a back seat to RU... AFL even sees that its future is in the International scene... RL in aus DOES need the international scene... take it away you take away alot of its players. In that point your right, they would lose players, but that has never mattered IMO there is plenty more talent coming through the ranks, loose Timanah, gain Foloau, no contest. its a moot point in many ways as you know the last thing i want is for IRL to die, but the game in Aus would still have Origin, something that the vast majority of people see as higher up than a test, so what would it matter to those people if tests were lost? |
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Post by Druzik on Jan 31, 2009 21:29:37 GMT 10
As always Marve We agree to disagree So what are odds of Barrow ow Haven getting a foreign team again? ;D |
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Post by England 3 Lions on Feb 2, 2009 23:41:04 GMT 10
The NZRL must capitalise on this opportunity. Touring schools with the trophy will draw attention to the Kiwis, and more importantly, the sport. Informational pamphlets about junior clubs could be handed to the students while they're looking at the trophy. They are launching a " Kids to Kiwis " campaign on the weekend of 1st and 2nd Feb ... The Halberg Awards which the Kiwis are in the final four for Team of the Year is announced on 3rd Feb ... They are doing more than they ever have at least but it is hard to get around the Union Culture of NZed ... The Kiwis deserve to win the title as they did the one thing the All Blacks haven't done since 1987 -- win their sport's world cup. The All Blacks did perform strongly in 2008, but they also lost a home Test match against South Africa. |
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Post by England 3 Lions on Feb 2, 2009 23:51:29 GMT 10
I see what your sayin but I think Lancs V Yorks would be a step backwards, what about Cumbrian and london players, Welsh players, French players, the game is moving away from its northern steroetypes, Lancs Yorks would not help do that IMO I'd like to see a team representing the heartland counties play against a team representing the other counties in England, Wales Scotland, Ireland and rest of Europe. It could help the game develop an "us vs them" mentality between northerners and southerners in England. |
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Post by Marv on Feb 2, 2009 23:58:49 GMT 10
I see what your sayin but I think Lancs V Yorks would be a step backwards, what about Cumbrian and london players, Welsh players, French players, the game is moving away from its northern steroetypes, Lancs Yorks would not help do that IMO I'd like to see a team representing the heartland counties play against a team representing the other counties in England, Wales Scotland, Ireland and rest of Europe. It could help the game develop an "us vs them" mentality between northerners and southerners in England. That idea has some merit I think, not sure how the public would receive it though |
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Post by England 3 Lions on Feb 3, 2009 0:26:35 GMT 10
I'd like to see a team representing the heartland counties play against a team representing the other counties in England, Wales Scotland, Ireland and rest of Europe. It could help the game develop an "us vs them" mentality between northerners and southerners in England. That idea has some merit I think, not sure how the public would receive it though The match could be sold on the basis that it replicates the rivalry that led to rugby league's divergence from rugby union. The prospect of playing in a representative match of this callibre could lead to some RU players from the southern counties switching over to RL. With enough promotion and propaganda, every kid across England would want to be part of it ;D |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 3, 2009 0:30:50 GMT 10
... With enough promotion and propaganda, every kid across England would want to be part of it ;D This being England and rugby league in general .... so much for that idea ;D |
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Post by Marv on Feb 3, 2009 1:58:06 GMT 10
That idea has some merit I think, not sure how the public would receive it though The match could be sold on the basis that it replicates the rivalry that led to rugby league's divergence from rugby union. The prospect of playing in a representative match of this callibre could lead to some RU players from the southern counties switching over to RL. With enough promotion and propaganda, every kid across England would want to be part of it ;D You can throw a lot of money around on various promotions, and if people feel its a gimmick, which they seemed to think about the revived roses concept they wouldnt go for it however much was spent. |
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Post by Kiwi fan on Feb 3, 2009 16:51:16 GMT 10
They are launching a " Kids to Kiwis " campaign on the weekend of 1st and 2nd Feb ... The Halberg Awards which the Kiwis are in the final four for Team of the Year is announced on 3rd Feb ... They are doing more than they ever have at least but it is hard to get around the Union Culture of NZed ... The Kiwis deserve to win the title as they did the one thing the All Blacks haven't done since 1987 -- win their sport's world cup. The All Blacks did perform strongly in 2008, but they also lost a home Test match against South Africa. I don't think you can complain at all about the All Blacks performances in 2008 but definately their efforts have been overshadowed by the Kiwis. There will be a lot of annoyance if the All Blacks win team of the year tonight. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 3, 2009 19:22:15 GMT 10
Oh yeah... good luck and fingers crossed on that!
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Post by England 3 Lions on Feb 4, 2009 23:26:23 GMT 10
Kiwis didn't win the award. A few people commented about it here. |
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Post by lvnknights on Feb 7, 2009 5:46:36 GMT 10
Well e3l,we didn't win the award but at least we still won the world cup aye mate..The kiwis have turned a new leaf i believe,and the time has come for them to show that they are no longer a one off win team..I wish them the best of luck in their efforts to beat Ozy and England again this year....Go the kiwis.  |
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Post by England 3 Lions on Feb 12, 2009 0:33:23 GMT 10
Well e3l,we didn't win the award but at least we still won the world cup aye mate..The kiwis have turned a new leaf i believe,and the time has come for them to show that they are no longer a one off win team..I wish them the best of luck in their efforts to beat Ozy and England again this year....Go the kiwis. The Kiwis' victory at last year's world cup is the biggest moment in New Zealand sport since it last won the Americas' Cup. Like the Americas' Cup, they had to climb Mt. Everast to win the RLWC. |
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