England V Wales

[jim]

Game thread for the WC Warm Up.

[jim]

Hard to see anything but England 24+ unfortunatley.

Time to start the whole FOX thing again I suppose. I would love to watch the game at home cheering on Wales wearing my Wales Jersey that i picked up for $30 on ebay.

[Marv]

which jersey have you got mate? I have an 80s retro Welsh jersey its cool ;D

[Marv]

Yeah i have gone for england to cut loose against the part timers in the last 30

[jim]

Aug 28, 2008 23:44:09 GMT 10 Marv said:

which jersey have you got mate? I have an 80s retro Welsh jersey its cool ;D

It's all red with green and rings on the sleeves. I think it is about 04-05-06 jersey. Quite a bargain I might ad considering I just bought a roos jersey for $145 that's that cheapest I could find.

[jim]

Might be a bit eraly but I'm going to have a crack at teams

I don't knwow hether it will be full strength England, I heard players from the GF won't play so If that's true they will look compeletly different.

1. Paul Wellens
2. Ade Gardner
3. Martin Gleeson
4. Keith Senior
5. Peter Fox
6. Leon Pryce
7. Rob Burrow
8. Adrian Morley
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Lee Gilmour
12. Gareth Ellis
13. Kevin Sinfield
14. James Graham
15. Joe Westerman
16. Gareth Hock
17. Danny McGuire
18. John Wilkin
19. Gareth Raynor

Wales
1. Anthony Blackwood
2.
3. Mark Lennon
4. Luke Dyer
5. Damien Gibson
6. Owen Lewis
7. Iestyn Harris
8. David Mills
9. Tom Burnell
10. Jordan James
11.
12. Garaint Davies
13. Rob Roberts
14. Gareth Dean
15.
16. Ben Flower
17.
18.
19.

Best I can come up with.

[Marv]

Aug 29, 2008 11:39:57 GMT 10 jim said:

Might be a bit eraly but I'm going to have a crack at teams

I don't knwow hether it will be full strength England, I heard players from the GF won't play so If that's true they will look compeletly different.

Wales
1. Dave Halley
2.
3. Anthony Blackwood
4. Luke Dyer
5. Damien Gibson
6. Mark Lennon/Luke Dyer
7.
8. David Mills
9.
10. Jordan James
11. Matty Cook
12. Garaint Davies
13. Rob Roberts
14. Gareth Dean
15. craig Copzchack (sp)
16. Ben Flower
17.

Well as for England I dont know as Tony Smiths squad hasnt been made public, but I have made a guess by mainly using players arent in the playoffs who COULD get a chance and I still think this side could beat Wales.

1. Micheal Platt (possible Ireland rep, in train on squad)
2. Gareth Raynor (Hull)
3. Ryan Atkins (Wakefield)
4. Craig Hall/Kirk Yeaman (Hull)
5. David Hodgeson/Peter Fox (Huddersfield/HKR)
6. Paul Deacon (Bradford)
7. Danny Orr (Quins)
8. Stuart Fielden (Wigan)
9. Jon Clarke (Warrington)
10. Richard Moore (Wakefield)
11. Ben Westwood (Warrington)
12. Lee Radford/Danny Tickle/Jamie Langley (Hull/Bradford)
13. Joe Westerman (Castleford)

but regards wales I have took 3 out who I think wont be playing, they will pull some young academy kids I reckon like Dave Halley who has brioken into the bulls first team this year since playing for wales against PNG and two other young lads from the bulls, take into account as well some of Celtics aussie contingent will be eligible for wales very soon but maybe not in time for this game

[jim]

Aug 29, 2008 18:28:03 GMT 10 Marv said:

Aug 29, 2008 11:39:57 GMT 10 jim said:

Might be a bit eraly but I'm going to have a crack at teams

I don't knwow hether it will be full strength England, I heard players from the GF won't play so If that's true they will look compeletly different.

Wales
1. Dave Halley
2.
3. Anthony Blackwood
4. Luke Dyer
5. Damien Gibson
6. Mark Lennon/Luke Dyer
7.
8. David Mills
9.
10. Jordan James
11. Matty Cook
12. Garaint Davies
13. Rob Roberts
14. Gareth Dean
15. craig Copzchack (sp)
16. Ben Flower
17.

Well as for England I dont know as Tony Smiths squad hasnt been made public, but I have made a guess by mainly using players arent in the playoffs who COULD get a chance and I still think this side could beat Wales.

1. Micheal Platt (possible Ireland rep, in train on squad)
2. Gareth Raynor (Hull)
3. Ryan Atkins (Wakefield)
4. Craig Hall/Kirk Yeaman (Hull)
5. David Hodgeson/Peter Fox (Huddersfield/HKR)
6. Paul Deacon (Bradford)
7. Danny Orr (Quins)
8. Stuart Fielden (Wigan)
9. Jon Clarke (Warrington)
10. Richard Moore (Wakefield)
11. Ben Westwood (Warrington)
12. Lee Radford/Danny Tickle/Jamie Langley (Hull/Bradford)
13. Joe Westerman (Castleford)

but regards wales I have took 3 out who I think wont be playing, they will pull some young academy kids I reckon like Dave Halley who has brioken into the bulls first team this year since playing for wales against PNG and two other young lads from the bulls, take into account as well some of Celtics aussie contingent will be eligible for wales very soon but maybe not in time for this game

Iestyn retired? I thought he might have. Forgot about Halley, there may be a few more I have forgotten about but you don't hear about Wales much these days.

[Marv]

Aug 29, 2008 21:23:44 GMT 10 jim said:

Iestyn retired? I thought he might have. Forgot about Halley, there may be a few more I have forgotten about but you don't hear about Wales much these days.

Yes Harris, Breirs and Cunningham all retired, which in some ways wont hurt wales because they rarely had them all on board, but where do they go from here?

[Druzik]

England to win this IO think... if they do what they did with france it will be a 30+ score.

[jim]

Sept 1, 2008 17:45:32 GMT 10 Marv said:

Aug 29, 2008 21:23:44 GMT 10 jim said:

Iestyn retired? I thought he might have. Forgot about Halley, there may be a few more I have forgotten about but you don't hear about Wales much these days.

Yes Harris, Breirs and Cunningham all retired, which in some ways wont hurt wales because they rarely had them all on board, but where do they go from here?

I knew about Briers and Cunningham I wasn't sure on Harris though.

Where do they go from here? Well get Celtic bringing in Welsh youngsters and before too long the national side will prosper. Like France they have good young players they can base their future around. France have Bosc, Casty, Pelo, Duport, Fakir, Mounis, Baile, Sabri and more that will be around for some time yet to build around, Wales on the other hand don't have as many but they will come once Celtic get into their strides hopefully. ATM I can think of Flowers, Halley and maybe a few more.

[Marv]

Sept 1, 2008 21:24:14 GMT 10 jim said:

Where do they go from here? Well get Celtic bringing in Welsh youngsters and before too long the national side will prosper. Like France they have good young players they can base their future around. Wales on the other hand don't have as many but they will come once Celtic get into their strides hopefully.

"Before too long" might be wishful thinking jim Wales are a million miles away from the level france was at before Catalans got in, belive me its a long hard road for the taffs, starting with a pasting at Donny

Sept 1, 2008 21:24:14 GMT 10 jim said:

Halley

Born in Bradford mate

Sept 1, 2008 21:24:14 GMT 10 jim said:

and maybe a few more.

Maybe not!

[jim]

Sept 2, 2008 2:55:30 GMT 10 Marv said:

"Before too long" might be wishful thinking jim Wales are a million miles away from the level france was at before Catalans got in, belive me its a long hard road for the taffs, starting with a pasting at Donny

I'm thinking 3 years atleast before we see some welsh born players coming through in numbers. Sure there are some now that may get a go now and then but I don't think any of them are SL standard yet.

Sept 2, 2008 2:55:30 GMT 10 Marv said:

Born in Bradford mate

Yeh but if he plays for Wales hopefully he can stick with them. I've seen him play and he is SL standard for sure, it's players like him the welsh team has to be based around.

Sept 2, 2008 2:55:30 GMT 10 Marv said:

Maybe not!

[spud]

don't forget that the england team won't have have players in it that play in the ESL grand final the week before..


oh....and halley plays for wales.....which is a shame cos i would'nt mind him in the england sqaud .

[Marv]

Sept 2, 2008 10:33:02 GMT 10 jim said:

I'm thinking 3 years atleast before we see some welsh born players coming through in numbers. Sure there are some now that may get a go now and then but I don't think any of them are SL standard yet.

No! they bloody well arent SL standard!! I think we may see odd players in the next three years but certainly not something "new" wales could call a backbone

Sept 2, 2008 10:33:02 GMT 10 jim said:

Yeh but if he plays for Wales hopefully he can stick with them. I've seen him play and he is SL standard for sure, it's players like him the welsh team has to be based around.

Oh he will be playing for Wales but the point is he is not a welsh produced player like Ben Flower is he is as welsh as Mark Lennon really.