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Post by Marv on Oct 4, 2008 0:25:53 GMT 10
Well let's hope that's not the case because I think they have to make the final in 2009 or 2010 because 2011 would be too late. I am led to belive that the 2011 G finalists can be considered too mate I agree that they should have to abide by the rules but I don't agree with the rule. What if 2 clubs with no right to SL are in the GF in both 2009 and 2010? Well the structure of NL1 is such that its very unlikely that clubs "with no right to enter SL" (whatever the fuck that means) would reach the NL1 final. As an example my home town club, Barrow have just been promoted and are a part time team, its very unlikely they will be able to compete with a club like Widnes who will be full time, so the chances are the same old names will be knocking about the top of NL1. does that mean only those 2 clubs can bid? Yes, but they are also opening it up to finalists of the Northern rail cup too. What if Widnes and Toulouse both miss the GF then the 2 best candidates from NL1 can't even bid? It just seems like a slightly relaxed version of P&R TBH. to me it seems a slightly fortified version of P+R, the fact that teams have to perform on the field as well as putting a good business together means that all the aspects of the club are being strengthend. One thing you have to remember Jim is in this country we have had P+R in our sporting comps for as long as the games have been going, it is a big thing to just remove them. Also let's be honest the NL1 side is going to look alot different than the SL side if you know what I mean? No i dont, if Toulouse would have been accepted into SL this time they would have had pretty much the same French names to choose from, the main difference would have been the quality of the imports. I know the quota is being reduced though, what will it be in 2012? by my reckoning it will be 5 non-fed trained players Well I guess unless they change the rule I'll have to live with it, might give me a chance to see what it's like being a NL1 fan where my club NEEDS to win. I really think this IS something you need to experience jim. |
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Post by jim on Oct 4, 2008 14:57:46 GMT 10
Well let's hope that's not the case because I think they have to make the final in 2009 or 2010 because 2011 would be too late. I am led to belive that the 2011 G finalists can be considered too mate Well the structure of NL1 is such that its very unlikely that clubs "with no right to enter SL" (whatever the fuck that means) would reach the NL1 final. As an example my home town club, Barrow have just been promoted and are a part time team, its very unlikely they will be able to compete with a club like Widnes who will be full time, so the chances are the same old names will be knocking about the top of NL1. Yes, but they are also opening it up to finalists of the Northern rail cup too. to me it seems a slightly fortified version of P+R, the fact that teams have to perform on the field as well as putting a good business together means that all the aspects of the club are being strengthend. One thing you have to remember Jim is in this country we have had P+R in our sporting comps for as long as the games have been going, it is a big thing to just remove them. No i dont, if Toulouse would have been accepted into SL this time they would have had pretty much the same French names to choose from, the main difference would have been the quality of the imports. by my reckoning it will be 5 non-fed trained players Well I guess unless they change the rule I'll have to live with it, might give me a chance to see what it's like being a NL1 fan where my club NEEDS to win. I really think this IS something you need to experience jim. you do make good points, I don't think then 2011 Grand Finalists will be considered because the license announcments will be made mid-2011 won't they? I guess I'll just have to live with the rules since it's not under my control. Interesting point about the NRC, could they possibly open it to the Lord Derby Cup winner aswell? |
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Post by Ryan N on Oct 4, 2008 16:32:47 GMT 10
I am led to belive that the 2011 G finalists can be considered too mate Well the structure of NL1 is such that its very unlikely that clubs "with no right to enter SL" (whatever the fuck that means) would reach the NL1 final. As an example my home town club, Barrow have just been promoted and are a part time team, its very unlikely they will be able to compete with a club like Widnes who will be full time, so the chances are the same old names will be knocking about the top of NL1. Yes, but they are also opening it up to finalists of the Northern rail cup too. to me it seems a slightly fortified version of P+R, the fact that teams have to perform on the field as well as putting a good business together means that all the aspects of the club are being strengthend. One thing you have to remember Jim is in this country we have had P+R in our sporting comps for as long as the games have been going, it is a big thing to just remove them. No i dont, if Toulouse would have been accepted into SL this time they would have had pretty much the same French names to choose from, the main difference would have been the quality of the imports. by my reckoning it will be 5 non-fed trained players I really think this IS something you need to experience jim. you do make good points, I don't think then 2011 Grand Finalists will be considered because the license announcments will be made mid-2011 won't they? I guess I'll just have to live with the rules since it's not under my control. Interesting point about the NRC, could they possibly open it to the Lord Derby Cup winner aswell? There's no hope in hell they will open it to Lord Derby Cup. Like Marv said, the Elite 1 France is regarded as middle to bottom of NL1. I don't see it happening. |
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Post by jim on Oct 5, 2008 18:19:57 GMT 10
you do make good points, I don't think then 2011 Grand Finalists will be considered because the license announcments will be made mid-2011 won't they? I guess I'll just have to live with the rules since it's not under my control. Interesting point about the NRC, could they possibly open it to the Lord Derby Cup winner aswell? There's no hope in hell they will open it to Lord Derby Cup. Like Marv said, the Elite 1 France is regarded as middle to bottom of NL1. I don't see it happening. Well we'll see I suppose, I wouldn.t be suprised. I'm pretty sure CCliff Spracklen said it could well happen a while back on TRL. The reason being that Toulouse can't compete in the NRC, so it is an unfair advantage to english teams. I think opening it to the winner or GFists of the LDC would be sensible. Ofcourse that could open it up to other teams if Toulouse don't win, I would like to see a Lyon bid for SL. |
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Post by Ryan N on Oct 5, 2008 19:38:07 GMT 10
;Yeah but I don't see Lyon, I do see Toulouse. Money, stadium and the likes have to go into it, player base etc.
I dunno Toulouse should be first in. Then a Biarritz franchise (so I can go play for them ;D )
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Post by Marv on Oct 6, 2008 17:01:42 GMT 10
I don't think then 2011 Grand Finalists will be considered because the license announcments will be made mid-2011 won't they? I honestly dont know, but i see your point, like this year the desisions were made before the league finished, i am under the impression you have 2011 myself but dont know 100% |
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Post by Marv on Oct 6, 2008 17:09:40 GMT 10
There's no hope in hell they will open it to Lord Derby Cup. Like Marv said, the Elite 1 France is regarded as middle to bottom of NL1. I don't see it happening. Well we'll see I suppose, I wouldn.t be suprised. I'm pretty sure Cliff Spracklen said it could well happen a while back on TRL. If Cliff said it then its not impossible to suggest that it will happen, but i dont see it, as Ryan said its a pretty weak comp at the end of the day. The reason being that Toulouse can't compete in the NRC, so it is an unfair advantage to english teams. I think opening it to the winner or GFists of the LDC would be sensible. I think Toulouse have chose not ot enter the NRC so its not unfair as they were offered the chance to compete in the comp. You know jim I know forums are all about opinon but your opinion, to me is quite stunning, how you can suggest that a side with complete exemption from relegation and a quota 400% bigger than the other clubs in the division is being "unfairly treat" Ofcourse that could open it up to other teams if Toulouse don't win, I would like to see a Lyon bid for SL. yeah it would be great to see a side who get less than a hundred fans to home games and consitently have no money in SL, come on jim  |
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Post by Ryan N on Oct 6, 2008 17:32:07 GMT 10
I don't think Lyon even have a major rugby union team!  I just did a search and the first site was Lyon University rugby union and the rest were all irrelevant. |
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Post by Marv on Oct 6, 2008 17:46:04 GMT 10
I don't think Lyon even have a major rugby union team! I just did a search and the first site was Lyon University rugby union and the rest were all irrelevant. That side plays in the second division i think, main sport in Lyon is Soccer. As it currently stands Lyon RL dont even play in Lyon, they play in the neighbouring town of Villeurbane. |
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Post by jim on Oct 6, 2008 20:28:23 GMT 10
If Cliff said it then its not impossible to suggest that it will happen, but i dont see it, as Ryan said its a pretty weak comp at the end of the day. Well Cliff knows a hell of alot more about French RL and Toulouse's situation then I dare say anyone on here. I think it could well happen. I think Toulouse have chose not ot enter the NRC so its not unfair as they were offered the chance to compete in the comp. You know jim I know forums are all about opinon but your opinion, to me is quite stunning, how you can suggest that a side with complete exemption from relegation and a quota 400% bigger than the other clubs in the division is being "unfairly treat" I was under the impression that it was the RFL's decision to exclude them from the NRC, not theirs, I may be wrong. TBH I think having 2 less opurtunities to Qualify to bid is more of a disadvantage than both of those situations. See your point though. yeah it would be great to see a side who get less than a hundred fans to home games and consitently have no money in SL, come on jim I didn't say get into SL I said bid, It would be nice to see another French team from a bug city getting pro-active and setting some goals even though they are a LONG weay away from SL. |
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Post by Ryan N on Oct 6, 2008 20:45:17 GMT 10
If Cliff said it then its not impossible to suggest that it will happen, but i dont see it, as Ryan said its a pretty weak comp at the end of the day. Well Cliff knows a hell of alot more about French RL and Toulouse's situation then I dare say anyone on here. I think it could well happen. I was under the impression that it was the RFL's decision to exclude them from the NRC, not theirs, I may be wrong. TBH I think having 2 less opurtunities to Qualify to bid is more of a disadvantage than both of those situations. See your point though. yeah it would be great to see a side who get less than a hundred fans to home games and consitently have no money in SL, come on jim I didn't say get into SL I said bid, It would be nice to see another French team from a bug city getting pro-active and setting some goals even though they are a LONG weay away from SL. Why bid for Super League then? |
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Post by jim on Oct 6, 2008 21:35:56 GMT 10
Why bid for Super League then? Why did Halifax and Whitehaven bid this time? Just to try and get some local support up for the bid etc. etc. |
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Post by Druzik on Oct 6, 2008 22:06:26 GMT 10
Why bid for Super League then? Why did Halifax and Whitehaven bid this time? Just to try and get some local support up for the bid etc. etc. Whitehaven didn't! They were in NL1 but made zero bid... remember no Cumbrian clubs have made any SL bids, they are not gig enough. Halifx made a bid to see where they were and what they need to improve on... they states this from the start. |
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Post by Ryan N on Oct 6, 2008 22:20:27 GMT 10
Why did Halifax and Whitehaven bid this time? Just to try and get some local support up for the bid etc. etc. Whitehaven didn't! They were in NL1 but made zero bid... remember no Cumbrian clubs have made any SL bids, they are not gig enough. Halifx made a bid to see where they were and what they need to improve on... they states this from the start. Also Halifax are a former SL club no? Look, the point is, they are a few steps behind SL but it could be attainable in the next 10 years. Not for Lyon. They have a lot of work to do just to get up to standard for the National Leagues (10 years easily). By 2011 Lyon won't even be close enough to have to see where they have to improve. That's if they last that long and don't fold because they have no money. Lyon and Halifax are two entirely different cases. If Lyon made a bid next time I would laugh. |
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Post by Ryan N on Oct 6, 2008 22:22:15 GMT 10
Why bid for Super League then? Why did Halifax and Whitehaven bid this time? Just to try and get some local support up for the bid etc. etc. Local support. "Go Lyon!" yelled the fans at Villeurbane. |
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