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Post by muffdiver on Oct 29, 2008 5:24:04 GMT 10
Why doesn't the NRL expand to 20 teams incorporating all the large population centres? It could split into 2 equal conferences so as to avoid an over long season. Then it could truely claim to be the number 1 sport in Australia.
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Post by Druzik on Oct 29, 2008 17:32:41 GMT 10
Why doesn't the NRL expand to 20 teams incorporating all the large population centres? It could split into 2 equal conferences so as to avoid an over long season. Then it could truely claim to be the number 1 sport in Australia. I think the biggest issue is money and supporter base. The NRL woudl have to subsideise either way say expansion teams into the CC or Adelaide for example and youd get the usual stuff of waht the Melbourne storm are coping at the moment. Despite what Gallop says, I think WA will be there come 2012... WA is actually a big Rugby (both codes) state, if they had a team I see no reason why 10-12k would not be there. Adeliade will be the interesting one as it also has a die hard core croup of RL fans, the Rams actually averaged about 15k when they were around... but will be interesting to see how the sharks and Bulldogs ventures there will go next year. Persoanlly I think 20 teams either way is too much in the near future (never say never though). If you had just a straight league, either everyone plays each other once, or you get a massively drawn out season of 2/3 of the year with 38 weeks + finals. If broken into two conferences where say you play your own group 2x and the other once still gives you 29 weeks = finals and so again too long, with SoO and test and all that. As it is the comp is sort of split into conferences, wher not all teams play each other twice. I think an 18 team comp in 2012 will be suffuicient, then manybe by 2016-18 can look to go further... maybe. |
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Post by muffdiver on Oct 30, 2008 3:12:31 GMT 10
Why doesn't the NRL expand to 20 teams incorporating all the large population centres? It could split into 2 equal conferences so as to avoid an over long season. Then it could truely claim to be the number 1 sport in Australia. I think the biggest issue is money and supporter base. The NRL woudl have to subsideise either way say expansion teams into the CC or Adelaide for example and youd get the usual stuff of waht the Melbourne storm are coping at the moment. Despite what Gallop says, I think WA will be there come 2012... WA is actually a big Rugby (both codes) state, if they had a team I see no reason why 10-12k would not be there. Adeliade will be the interesting one as it also has a die hard core croup of RL fans, the Rams actually averaged about 15k when they were around... but will be interesting to see how the sharks and Bulldogs ventures there will go next year. Persoanlly I think 20 teams either way is too much in the near future (never say never though). If you had just a straight league, either everyone plays each other once, or you get a massively drawn out season of 2/3 of the year with 38 weeks + finals. If broken into two conferences where say you play your own group 2x and the other once still gives you 29 weeks = finals and so again too long, with SoO and test and all that. As it is the comp is sort of split into conferences, wher not all teams play each other twice. I think an 18 team comp in 2012 will be suffuicient, then manybe by 2016-18 can look to go further... maybe. What sort of attendance do you reckon they need to break even? I suggested 20 teams because I prefer inclusion to exclusion. That, in my opinion, is what is wrong with SL - too many historically significant clubs have been sidelined. |
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Post by Druzik on Oct 30, 2008 17:25:42 GMT 10
I think the biggest issue is money and supporter base. The NRL woudl have to subsideise either way say expansion teams into the CC or Adelaide for example and youd get the usual stuff of waht the Melbourne storm are coping at the moment. Despite what Gallop says, I think WA will be there come 2012... WA is actually a big Rugby (both codes) state, if they had a team I see no reason why 10-12k would not be there. Adeliade will be the interesting one as it also has a die hard core croup of RL fans, the Rams actually averaged about 15k when they were around... but will be interesting to see how the sharks and Bulldogs ventures there will go next year. Persoanlly I think 20 teams either way is too much in the near future (never say never though). If you had just a straight league, either everyone plays each other once, or you get a massively drawn out season of 2/3 of the year with 38 weeks + finals. If broken into two conferences where say you play your own group 2x and the other once still gives you 29 weeks = finals and so again too long, with SoO and test and all that. As it is the comp is sort of split into conferences, wher not all teams play each other twice. I think an 18 team comp in 2012 will be suffuicient, then manybe by 2016-18 can look to go further... maybe. What sort of attendance do you reckon they need to break even? I suggested 20 teams because I prefer inclusion to exclusion. That, in my opinion, is what is wrong with SL - too many historically significant clubs have been sidelined. Well not really, look in the end the super league franchise system at its heart is still promotion and relegation, but its over a longer period and makes sure that clubs will not be yoyo clubs and go but. In three years time there is nothing in theory to stop say Oldham, or Barrow or Halifax to put in a bid and possibly win a franchise based on restults, finances, juniors and facilities. Its actually not a precedent as many of the Central American and south american soccer countries do this same thing with their leagues. Mexico is a prime example as I had that one explained to me once... their P&R although on a yearly basis is based on the performance of teams on and off the field over a 3 year period. The way I see things going is that ESL will go pro, teams aspiring for SL will go pro in the NL which will eventually make at least NL1 fully pro and then proper P&R can come back in, then have the franchise system for NL2 and Coinference and have them come up to some pro or semi pro standard. I think the ESL system on paper is very good, but only time will tell how good it is. |
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Post by muffdiver on Oct 30, 2008 21:07:10 GMT 10
The key phrase is 'in theory'! In the meantime teams like Workington, Swinton, Halifax, etc are excluded from the big time & from any prospect of the big time.
btw Latin American soccer is hardly an ideal place from which to get a model!! The reason they have relegation based on an average of 3 years results is to avoid the possibility of a big team being relegated - although it does happen from time to time!
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Post by Druzik on Oct 30, 2008 21:25:51 GMT 10
The key phrase is 'in theory'! In the meantime teams like Workington, Swinton, Halifax, etc are excluded from the big time & from any prospect of the big time. Yes very true, that is why I said we will see in time if it really is a good system or not. I think Halifax have a more than reasonabl;e chance to make it in the future... swinton I cant comment as I dont know enough about the team... workington, I'll let Marv comment on the Cumbrian area and franchise possibilities as he's from there. These are debates we have had before on here numerous times... but new views are welcome. Yeah maybe your right... but in the end isnt that what will happen with SL, it hopefully will give teams like Bradford the kick up the arse they need to get their stadium done etc... to avoid that relegation. But look, we haven't even had one season of this new format yet... lets wait and see how it goes. If it ends up being disastrous then I'll be the forst to say I was wrong. |
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Post by muffdiver on Nov 1, 2008 0:37:18 GMT 10
The key phrase is 'in theory'! In the meantime teams like Workington, Swinton, Halifax, etc are excluded from the big time & from any prospect of the big time. Yes very true, that is why I said we will see in time if it really is a good system or not. I think Halifax have a more than reasonabl;e chance to make it in the future... swinton I cant comment as I dont know enough about the team... workington, I'll let Marv comment on the Cumbrian area and franchise possibilities as he's from there. These are debates we have had before on here numerous times... but new views are welcome. Yeah maybe your right... but in the end isnt that what will happen with SL, it hopefully will give teams like Bradford the kick up the arse they need to get their stadium done etc... to avoid that relegation. But look, we haven't even had one season of this new format yet... lets wait and see how it goes. If it ends up being disastrous then I'll be the forst to say I was wrong. Swinton have been crap for years now. The point I'm making is that it all depends on coincidences in history when these things come about. Had all this gone on in the 1960s Swinton would have been first on the list. Had they done this in 1981 Wigan would have been out. |
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Post by arh21980 on Feb 17, 2009 15:45:17 GMT 10
Why doesn't the NRL expand to 20 teams incorporating all the large population centres? It could split into 2 equal conferences so as to avoid an over long season. Then it could truely claim to be the number 1 sport in Australia. I think the biggest issue is money and supporter base. The NRL woudl have to subsideise either way say expansion teams into the CC or Adelaide for example and youd get the usual stuff of waht the Melbourne storm are coping at the moment. Despite what Gallop says, I think WA will be there come 2012... WA is actually a big Rugby (both codes) state, if they had a team I see no reason why 10-12k would not be there. Adeliade will be the interesting one as it also has a die hard core croup of RL fans, the Rams actually averaged about 15k when they were around... but will be interesting to see how the sharks and Bulldogs ventures there will go next year. Persoanlly I think 20 teams either way is too much in the near future (never say never though). If you had just a straight league, either everyone plays each other once, or you get a massively drawn out season of 2/3 of the year with 38 weeks + finals. If broken into two conferences where say you play your own group 2x and the other once still gives you 29 weeks = finals and so again too long, with SoO and test and all that. As it is the comp is sort of split into conferences, wher not all teams play each other twice. I think an 18 team comp in 2012 will be suffuicient, then manybe by 2016-18 can look to go further... maybe. They managed to pull 10,000 for a trial between the Roosters and the dragons. The South Australian goverment is rallying to get the Sharks to move there. (Sorry Dan, it maybe the only way for the Sharkies to survive given their current economic crisis.) I think they seriously need to get the Central Coast aka Bears in next, and think about bring in another NZ team |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 17, 2009 17:06:12 GMT 10
I think the biggest issue is money and supporter base. The NRL woudl have to subsideise either way say expansion teams into the CC or Adelaide for example and youd get the usual stuff of waht the Melbourne storm are coping at the moment. Despite what Gallop says, I think WA will be there come 2012... WA is actually a big Rugby (both codes) state, if they had a team I see no reason why 10-12k would not be there. Adeliade will be the interesting one as it also has a die hard core croup of RL fans, the Rams actually averaged about 15k when they were around... but will be interesting to see how the sharks and Bulldogs ventures there will go next year. Persoanlly I think 20 teams either way is too much in the near future (never say never though). If you had just a straight league, either everyone plays each other once, or you get a massively drawn out season of 2/3 of the year with 38 weeks + finals. If broken into two conferences where say you play your own group 2x and the other once still gives you 29 weeks = finals and so again too long, with SoO and test and all that. As it is the comp is sort of split into conferences, wher not all teams play each other twice. I think an 18 team comp in 2012 will be suffuicient, then manybe by 2016-18 can look to go further... maybe. They managed to pull 10,000 for a trial between the Roosters and the dragons. The South Australian goverment is rallying to get the Sharks to move there. (Sorry Dan, it maybe the only way for the Sharkies to survive given their current economic crisis.) I think they seriously need to get the Central Coast aka Bears in next, and think about bring in another NZ team If you say cronullas fucked then manly and all the NRL clubs are fcked as well... please... what ever agendas you people have in killing the sharks off you can stop righht there. They are one of the most asset rich clubs in the NRL... we may not have a lot of actual cash, but its neough to keep going but the 60 million + in assets is where our strength is. We OWN our own stadium... not many NRL teams can boast that... we own the land surrounding it and are developing it to commercial space and to generate revenue... there is heaps of other property that the sharks have that thez use and can use.... if they are not flogging off these assest yet to pay off what ever debts then things aint that fucked yet. Cronulla has been through 3 crisies 100 times worse than what is now and we have surivived and come through and we will do so again it will take a fucking nuclear war to take us down. Manly and other clubs should first go sort their own shit out before calling upon the culling of one of the more pasionate clubs... its still one of the last true Rugby league working class clubs... Cronulla is what League is all about in the end... you get rid of us and it the end of the NRL... we are the souths of the current era. The shire people live and breathe the club... not everone there can afoord to go to games week in and out, so we may not always get the biggest crowds but evey one who lives wirthin the sutherland shire is a shark through and through... get rid of them and watch 200,000 fans walk away. You will get another Bears on yourt hands... and the NRL still has not recovered from that fiasco... and probably never will, thanks to them and manly its why the Tahs and AFL have a foot in the door now... they are just waitimng like vultures for people in clubs like manly and st gearge to try and kill off clubs like Cronulla, they will sieze the opportunity... you think AFL has only its sights set on the west... they will quickly transplant themselves like paraistes where there is a void. No instead of rallying around each other... as always rugby league tries to commit Harri Kirri. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 17, 2009 17:07:35 GMT 10
You know thats just fucking fired me up.
I hope the Cronullas, Hull KRsa and Lyons of the rugb world rise and put a cap in arses of the smug teams like Manly.
I pray that we nail your arses in the Steve rogers shield this year.
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Post by arh21980 on Feb 18, 2009 9:02:42 GMT 10
Dan look I'm all for keeping Cronulla as the sharks but the reality is that there got to get bums on seats to keep the club going.
Look Manly isn't in the fiscal shape that it use to be all because of fucking News Limited they had to sell alot of their assets to fight Super League and then being forced to merge with North Sydney (who only went broke because of waiting for upgrades to Bluetongue Stadium)
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Post by arh21980 on Feb 18, 2009 13:29:39 GMT 10
Papua New Guinea receive government money to launch NRL bid
By Ilya Gridneff
February 18, 2009 PAPUA New Guinea have launched their bid to enter a team into the Australian NRL competition.
Rugby league is officially PNG’s national sport and the NRL is considered the ultimate goal for aspiring players.
But entering the NRL has wider implication than simply sporting success - it provides a unifying direction for millions of die hard fans who often play all year round, barefoot, in searing heat and on rock hard surfaces.
PNG political elite know the potential and on Tuesday Prime Minister Michael Somare gave 500,000 kina ($250,000) of government money towards an official team to develop a NRL proposal.
Gold Coast Titans chairman Paul Broughton and Queensland coach Mal Meninga are also part of PNG's 'bid team'.
PNG's deputy Prime Minister Puka Temu said the government is now approaching private enterprise to help achieve the necessary criteria for entry into the competition.
“Imagine a PNG team in the NRL competition, imagine the opportunities, and imagine the strengthening of the PNG and Australia relationship,'' he said.
“To have our very own NRL team would unite the whole country,'' he said.
PNG rugby league president Danny Holmes said an estimated third of PNG's six million population plays league.
“We can have more influence than the government, that's how important and big this is,'' he said.
“The implications are greater than just having a footy side in the NRL; it gives a big time goal to every kid who puts a boot on.
“We've been using league as a way for kids to learn to be part of a team and a community with a common goal, to learn life skills and confidence,'' he said.
Holmes admits its not going to be an easy journey to the NRL.
“The government has researched and there is corporate interest.
“The time frame is eight years but there is also talk about 2012, when Somare may retire, so we see,'' he said.
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Post by Druzik on Feb 18, 2009 17:37:02 GMT 10
Dan look I'm all for keeping Cronulla as the sharks but the reality is that there got to get bums on seats to keep the club going. Look Manly isn't in the fiscal shape that it use to be all because of fucking News Limited they had to sell alot of their assets to fight Super League and then being forced to merge with North Sydney (who only went broke because of waiting for upgrades to Bluetongue Stadium) Rubbish... I have seen the comments you and other have made in the past on other forums about getting rid of the sharks. The sharks are able to survive with the seats they get, either way they still average more than amny other teams. Cronulla for many teams provides massive revenue as their games are coniddered time honoured traditional and tough. Get rid of cronulla and Manly, Sts, Souths, Brisbane, loose some of their bigger games and lots of money. Cronulla has survived on a lot less and wil do so again. Australian fans are so friggin tunnel visioned its not funny. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 18, 2009 17:39:32 GMT 10
Papua New Guinea receive government money to launch NRL bid By Ilya Gridneff February 18, 2009 PAPUA New Guinea have launched their bid to enter a team into the Australian NRL competition. Rugby league is officially PNG’s national sport and the NRL is considered the ultimate goal for aspiring players. But entering the NRL has wider implication than simply sporting success - it provides a unifying direction for millions of die hard fans who often play all year round, barefoot, in searing heat and on rock hard surfaces. PNG political elite know the potential and on Tuesday Prime Minister Michael Somare gave 500,000 kina ($250,000) of government money towards an official team to develop a NRL proposal. Gold Coast Titans chairman Paul Broughton and Queensland coach Mal Meninga are also part of PNG's 'bid team'. PNG's deputy Prime Minister Puka Temu said the government is now approaching private enterprise to help achieve the necessary criteria for entry into the competition. “Imagine a PNG team in the NRL competition, imagine the opportunities, and imagine the strengthening of the PNG and Australia relationship,'' he said. “To have our very own NRL team would unite the whole country,'' he said. PNG rugby league president Danny Holmes said an estimated third of PNG's six million population plays league. “We can have more influence than the government, that's how important and big this is,'' he said. “The implications are greater than just having a footy side in the NRL; it gives a big time goal to every kid who puts a boot on. “We've been using league as a way for kids to learn to be part of a team and a community with a common goal, to learn life skills and confidence,'' he said. Holmes admits its not going to be an easy journey to the NRL. “The government has researched and there is corporate interest. “The time frame is eight years but there is also talk about 2012, when Somare may retire, so we see,'' he said. ;D It wont happens, we have gone through all the pros and cons with arious people on here and other forums... its just a waste of money to get a pNG team up... what will they do... stack it with more QLDers like Melbourne... its taklen them 10 years to get juniors up and running there and to do anything with the local comp... the SP cup will suffer and PNG RL will suffer. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 18, 2009 18:32:45 GMT 10
Dan look I'm all for keeping Cronulla as the sharks but the reality is that there got to get bums on seats to keep the club going. Look Manly isn't in the fiscal shape that it use to be all because of fucking News Limited they had to sell alot of their assets to fight Super League and then being forced to merge with North Sydney (who only went broke because of waiting for upgrades to Bluetongue Stadium) This is what it's all about. |
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