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Post by Kiwi fan on Feb 22, 2009 7:28:30 GMT 10
The key phrase is 'in theory'! In the meantime teams like Workington, Swinton, Halifax, etc are excluded from the big time & from any prospect of the big time. btw Latin American soccer is hardly an ideal place from which to get a model!! The reason they have relegation based on an average of 3 years results is to avoid the possibility of a big team being relegated - although it does happen from time to time! The fact simply is though that they're aren't enough good players to go around. Sure, those clubs have history but so many clubs have history that history isn't enough any more. If we had those clubs in the SL it would have 17 teams. There aren't enough good british players to go round 14 teams so the 3 new teams would be of terrible quality. We're trying to expand the game to new regions and, while we need to remember the heartlands, regions like Toulouse, Edinburugh and Dublin should be where our thinking is at. Basically, every team with history can't fit into the SL if we want to expand the game. I still think 14 teams is slightly past the super league's limit and they can't expand for at least 10 years. This means if we're going to bring new teams in it will have to be at the expense of Castleford or Wakefield etc. It's the same with the NRL where I don't think there can be more then 16 teams. 18 being the limit really. Teams in Sydney have to go and there's no point the NRL being nice about it. |
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Post by arh21980 on Feb 22, 2009 14:13:19 GMT 10
For mind the NRL if they're going to expand are going to expand back out to WA and the Central Coast(NSW) haven't heard of anyone putting up there hand at qld and wellington have been abit quiet as well.
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Post by Kiwi fan on Feb 22, 2009 14:39:57 GMT 10
For mind the NRL if they're going to expand are going to expand back out to WA and the Central Coast(NSW) haven't heard of anyone putting up there hand at qld and wellington have been abit quiet as well. I really don't think a Wellington team would be viable. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 22, 2009 16:56:46 GMT 10
The key phrase is 'in theory'! In the meantime teams like Workington, Swinton, Halifax, etc are excluded from the big time & from any prospect of the big time. btw Latin American soccer is hardly an ideal place from which to get a model!! The reason they have relegation based on an average of 3 years results is to avoid the possibility of a big team being relegated - although it does happen from time to time! The fact simply is though that they're aren't enough good players to go around. Sure, those clubs have history but so many clubs have history that history isn't enough any more. If we had those clubs in the SL it would have 17 teams. There aren't enough good british players to go round 14 teams so the 3 new teams would be of terrible quality. We're trying to expand the game to new regions and, while we need to remember the heartlands, regions like Toulouse, Edinburugh and Dublin should be where our thinking is at. Basically, every team with history can't fit into the SL if we want to expand the game. I still think 14 teams is slightly past the super league's limit and they can't expand for at least 10 years. This means if we're going to bring new teams in it will have to be at the expense of Castleford or Wakefield etc. It's the same with the NRL where I don't think there can be more then 16 teams. 18 being the limit really. Teams in Sydney have to go and there's no point the NRL being nice about it. Yes but Kiwi Fan in ESL its not about doing things at the expense of other teams with history... the 3 year franchises are there to sllow teams to show their viability... but if they dont cut the mustart they dont just get wiped off the face of the earth as everone in Oz seems to be wanting. The teams drop down to a national competition that has its own prestige and atill aloows the club and other ambitios clubs to promote their way back up to the SL. Why the hell should clubs not be allowed a chance to get into the top flight. I just dont understand this obsession Aussie fans have will completely killing clubs off. The NSWRL in 1968 did a bad thing where they stoped the ability for promotion and relegation into the comp. Even now the NRL and the state comps are missing out on a bonafide cash cow with RL by not havingn a national 2nd tier comp of some sort. I have been a great advocate of the cup comps in the past... but it does not necessarily have to be in the NRL level, it can be at the state level where you have less state teams ths less rounds and you can afford to have a larger wide ranging cup competition nation wide and even bring in tams from NZ and PNG there... that where is anywhere the inyernational expansion should be happening. As it stands WA has the best expansion potential in the NRL... it has a string domestic and junior set up, that is funded to a decent level, it has a team that is cutting its teeth in the state cups, they have their own juniors already coming through... you HAVE NRL grade players probably witing in the wings there... we need to breat the NSW/QLD-centricity in the NRL a bit... RL in the 60s got taken over bt the eastern brigade and its what has trully help back the sport in Australia despite its many successes. RL administartors where just happy to sit east of the Barassi line and ignore the rest of the country. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 22, 2009 16:59:43 GMT 10
For mind the NRL if they're going to expand are going to expand back out to WA and the Central Coast(NSW) haven't heard of anyone putting up there hand at qld and wellington have been abit quiet as well. In recent times the wellingon orcas fanchise bid has been trying to get to the ESL rthe than NRL... silly really. Sunshine coast has had a few backers and last year a proposal was put to Gallop from what i understand... dont be too surprised if the Sunshine coast eagles will become and NRL team soon. |
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Post by arh21980 on Feb 23, 2009 11:30:05 GMT 10
Rick and Scott Penn (co-owners of Manly with Max Delmege) have expressed an interest at setting up a NRL team on the sunshine coast but have doubts that it will be the Sea Eagles (that woud have to get past the Manly RL board and Max). Given the current climate at Manly maybe its best if the Penns and Delmege's went their separte ways.
A Wellington team travelling all the way up to england every second week would not make financial sense
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Post by Kiwi fan on Feb 23, 2009 13:38:27 GMT 10
The fact simply is though that they're aren't enough good players to go around. Sure, those clubs have history but so many clubs have history that history isn't enough any more. If we had those clubs in the SL it would have 17 teams. There aren't enough good british players to go round 14 teams so the 3 new teams would be of terrible quality. We're trying to expand the game to new regions and, while we need to remember the heartlands, regions like Toulouse, Edinburugh and Dublin should be where our thinking is at. Basically, every team with history can't fit into the SL if we want to expand the game. I still think 14 teams is slightly past the super league's limit and they can't expand for at least 10 years. This means if we're going to bring new teams in it will have to be at the expense of Castleford or Wakefield etc. It's the same with the NRL where I don't think there can be more then 16 teams. 18 being the limit really. Teams in Sydney have to go and there's no point the NRL being nice about it. Yes but Kiwi Fan in ESL its not about doing things at the expense of other teams with history... the 3 year franchises are there to sllow teams to show their viability... but if they dont cut the mustart they dont just get wiped off the face of the earth as everone in Oz seems to be wanting. The teams drop down to a national competition that has its own prestige and atill aloows the club and other ambitios clubs to promote their way back up to the SL. Why the hell should clubs not be allowed a chance to get into the top flight. I just dont understand this obsession Aussie fans have will completely killing clubs off. The NSWRL in 1968 did a bad thing where they stoped the ability for promotion and relegation into the comp. Even now the NRL and the state comps are missing out on a bonafide cash cow with RL by not havingn a national 2nd tier comp of some sort. I have been a great advocate of the cup comps in the past... but it does not necessarily have to be in the NRL level, it can be at the state level where you have less state teams ths less rounds and you can afford to have a larger wide ranging cup competition nation wide and even bring in tams from NZ and PNG there... that where is anywhere the inyernational expansion should be happening. As it stands WA has the best expansion potential in the NRL... it has a string domestic and junior set up, that is funded to a decent level, it has a team that is cutting its teeth in the state cups, they have their own juniors already coming through... you HAVE NRL grade players probably witing in the wings there... we need to breat the NSW/QLD-centricity in the NRL a bit... RL in the 60s got taken over bt the eastern brigade and its what has trully help back the sport in Australia despite its many successes. RL administartors where just happy to sit east of the Barassi line and ignore the rest of the country. When I said at the expense of Wakefield and Castleford I didn't mean to get rid of them all together. I just meant at the expense of their place in the super league. I certainly don't want to wipe teams off the face of the planet and I don't want to not give them the chance of gaining promotion but I think, right now, at this stage time we would be better served having a team in places like Widnes or Toulouse then Castleford/Wakefield. That doesn't mean that I don't thi nk teams can wait in NL1 and try and gain promotion. Australia isn't a promotion and relegation country. It's not part of a sport's fan's brain. In England it's very different. |
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Post by Kiwi fan on Feb 23, 2009 13:40:58 GMT 10
For mind the NRL if they're going to expand are going to expand back out to WA and the Central Coast(NSW) haven't heard of anyone putting up there hand at qld and wellington have been abit quiet as well. In recent times the wellingon orcas fanchise bid has been trying to get to the ESL rthe than NRL... silly really. Sunshine coast has had a few backers and last year a proposal was put to Gallop from what i understand... dont be too surprised if the Sunshine coast eagles will become and NRL team soon. I don't think we ever put a serious proposal to the RFL. A Wellington team in the NRL would struggle so I can't see us getting into the ESL. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 23, 2009 17:17:58 GMT 10
When I said at the expense of Wakefield and Castleford I didn't mean to get rid of them all together. I just meant at the expense of their place in the super league. I certainly don't want to wipe teams off the face of the planet and I don't want to not give them the chance of gaining promotion but I think, right now, at this stage time we would be better served having a team in places like Widnes or Toulouse then Castleford/Wakefield. That doesn't mean that I don't thi nk teams can wait in NL1 and try and gain promotion. OK, thats fine then... teams should be in there on merrit and not on someones whim decision or because fans from other teams "call for a team culling". If Wakey/Cas dont cut the mustard sure let them go to Championship level, but lets get that level up as well. But bringing in expansion clubs is also a very fine line that needs to be tread... I am still weary of toulouse in the ESL... I fear for French RL if they come into the english comp. Australia isn't a promotion and relegation country. It's not part of a sport's fan's brain. In England it's very different. It was a P&R country as I am discovering... they just decided to kill P&R off in the late 60's. Teams like Manly, cronulla and Penrith were all promoted up through the ranks to the NSWRL and other teams in the past like university were relegated to the 2nd division. Its why there are so many strong clubs and leagues clubs around the place like wntwortville, Ryde-eastwood, Erina etc... they all had aspirations at one point in promotion to the NSWRL. |
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Post by Druzik on Feb 23, 2009 17:19:15 GMT 10
In recent times the wellingon orcas fanchise bid has been trying to get to the ESL rthe than NRL... silly really. Sunshine coast has had a few backers and last year a proposal was put to Gallop from what i understand... dont be too surprised if the Sunshine coast eagles will become and NRL team soon. I don't think we ever put a serious proposal to the RFL. A Wellington team in the NRL would struggle so I can't see us getting into the ESL. It was squashed very quickly I think... but a serious proposal was put I think.... or the question was asked at the very least. |
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Post by arh21980 on Feb 24, 2009 14:44:08 GMT 10
according to "A century of RL in Aus" there was talk of a New Zealand based team to play in the NSWRL in the 1970's
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Post by Druzik on Feb 24, 2009 16:54:14 GMT 10
according to "A century of RL in Aus" there was talk of a New Zealand based team to play in the NSWRL in the 1970's Really.... that is info I wouldnt mind knwoing more about... to Sean Fagan we go! |
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Post by England 3 Lions on Mar 4, 2009 13:18:48 GMT 10
The Sharks ought to call themselves the Sutherland Sharks. Cronulla is just a suburb of Sutherland Shire. Their current name, Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks, is like the Brisbane Broncos calling themselves the Upper Mount Gravatt-Brisbane Broncos -- Upper Mt. Gravatt is a suburb of Brisbane.
The Sharks ought to use their stadium as a means of collecting revenue. Rent it out to football clubs and rugby union clubs. Improve the stadium's infrastructure so it can lure in more games from rival codes.
Perth needs their own team.
A PNG-based NRL team is a necessity. A team based in Port Moresby will allow the PNGRFL to expand its base outside of Port Moresby.
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Post by Kiwi fan on Mar 4, 2009 14:03:57 GMT 10
The Sharks ought to call themselves the Sutherland Sharks. Cronulla is just a suburb of Sutherland Shire. Their current name, Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks, is like the Brisbane Broncos calling themselves the Upper Mount Gravatt-Brisbane Broncos -- Upper Mt. Gravatt is a suburb of Brisbane. The Sharks ought to use their stadium as a means of collecting revenue. Rent it out to football clubs and rugby union clubs. Improve the stadium's infrastructure so it can lure in more games from rival codes. Perth needs their own team. A PNG-based NRL team is a necessity. A team based in Port Moresby will allow the PNGRFL to expand its base outside of Port Moresby. PNG is basically a lawless state. They have poor infrastructure, hardly any suitable stadiums and no money. Personally, I would be horrified if the PNG government spent anything on sport when diseases and criminal activity is so rife! Also, just look at what has happened in a country with just as much problems. The Sir Lankan cricket team lucky to all be alive. Imagine if Greg Inglis was killed by a spear after a game! It really isn't so unlikely. Few players will be willing to take the risk. Perth should have had a team a long time ago. |
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Post by Druzik on Mar 4, 2009 17:51:04 GMT 10
Yes mu cousin says as much about it.
PNG needs to invest in itself. SP cup can be a means to help the local economis get up... that is where the RL investment should go in PNG... not on an NRL team.
Perth does need a team ASAP.
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