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Post by Ryan N on Sept 28, 2009 18:32:48 GMT 10
gotta disagree with a team in tamworth though. Wellington have my first vote then Perth. Perth have a very strong case for inclusion. i think Perth and central coast will get the nods. i really hope its not 2 teams that are both in nsw or qld. we need to have at least one team out of our comfort zone Why? It's no more preposterous than Wellington, PNG or South Africa. Actually makes more sense. It's the NRL, and I think it should be an Australian competition not the whole southern hemisphere. |
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Post by sportsmad on Sept 28, 2009 19:26:18 GMT 10
haha that is true , it does seem that it will end up being oceania rugby league. i think ORL has a ring it.
i dont have a problem with Tamworth but i think its gotta rank well down the list in terms of potential markets. it has a population of what 50-75k with no real stadium. i know that surrounding areas would be factored in (although there doesnt seem to be much in the surrounding areas TBH). Perth has almost 2 million people. the stadium will be upgraded soon to put it in the same league as skilled park or even Melbourne rectangular stadium. theres a genuine bid coming out of there. they have previous NRL experience......
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Post by jim on Sept 28, 2009 20:00:33 GMT 10
haha that is true , it does seem that it will end up being oceania rugby league. i think ORL has a ring it. i dont have a problem with Tamworth but i think its gotta rank well down the list in terms of potential markets. it has a population of what 50-75k with no real stadium. i know that surrounding areas would be factored in (although there doesnt seem to be much in the surrounding areas TBH). Perth has almost 2 million people. the stadium will be upgraded soon to put it in the same league as skilled park or even Melbourne rectangular stadium. theres a genuine bid coming out of there. they have previous NRL experience...... Perth should be number 1 priority, without doubt, problem is I don't think it is  . So much going for it and it would get crowds, they got 11,000 to a trial game and a sell out for the NRL game. I would say they would start off averaging 12,000 atleast hopefully up towards 15,000. Central Coast are nailed on IMO, after that Wellington/Cantebury, 2nd Brisbane, Central Queensland and PNG are all realistic options. It's nice to be in a position where alot of places want a team, as opposed to the AFL who are force feeding two new teams and denying the only area that is crying out for a team. |
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Post by Ryan N on Sept 28, 2009 20:22:13 GMT 10
haha that is true , it does seem that it will end up being oceania rugby league. i think ORL has a ring it. i dont have a problem with Tamworth but i think its gotta rank well down the list in terms of potential markets. it has a population of what 50-75k with no real stadium. i know that surrounding areas would be factored in (although there doesnt seem to be much in the surrounding areas TBH). Perth has almost 2 million people. the stadium will be upgraded soon to put it in the same league as skilled park or even Melbourne rectangular stadium. theres a genuine bid coming out of there. they have previous NRL experience...... I never said the team is Tamworth. It's a country team. People from the country would support it. The teams would be no worse than any other NRL teams crowd wise, it would get the country people behind it. We're saying New Zealand needs one domestic league is dying, welll country league is dying and it's far more important to the NRL and ARL than New Zealand. And it's more important to the fans. That's why Quensland are being neglected in only having 3 teams and I believe there should be more at the expense of Sydney teams but I think there's just as much a cry for a country team. We are neglecting them. It would also gives us a hold on the country as they have no one representing them at the highest level in any sports. |
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Post by supersteve on Sept 28, 2009 21:47:33 GMT 10
Perth has to get the nod, and im confident it will. The other team is where it gets tough. Id elimiate PNG at this stage, and also Wellington. CC NSW has a very strong bid, as does CC QLD. I personally would really like to see the bears involved in the top league again, but I just feel that QLD should get another team first. Whether it be CC QLD, Sunshine coast, West Brisbane...the list goes on. It'd be nice to have a CC QLD team as there is such a huge range from Brisbane up to Townsville that is RL crazy that has no team. But the same can be said for Ipswich and the Sunshine Coast. Its an extremely hard choice, but its a very nice position to be in.
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Post by sportsmad on Sept 29, 2009 10:53:18 GMT 10
i know theres juniors to chose from and all but i dont think a country team would atract quality players, at tleast in the first 5 years anyway. this might cause the team to be a huge burdon on the NRL for many years until those juniors gain experience. long term it might be more viable but the investment it would take would be huge, and not necesary IMO with places like Perth making more viable bids. stadium would take significant investment and Perth already has this. the canberra raiders have struggled to attract the big names in recent years because a lot of people simply dont want to live there which is why i wouldnt be opposed to a small salary cap exemption like the swans have in the AFL. imagine Tamworth.
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Post by Ryan N on Sept 29, 2009 21:20:46 GMT 10
i know theres juniors to chose from and all but i dont think a country team would atract quality players, at tleast in the first 5 years anyway. this might cause the team to be a huge burdon on the NRL for many years until those juniors gain experience. long term it might be more viable but the investment it would take would be huge, and not necesary IMO with places like Perth making more viable bids. stadium would take significant investment and Perth already has this. the canberra raiders have struggled to attract the big names in recent years because a lot of people simply dont want to live there which is why i wouldnt be opposed to a small salary cap exemption like the swans have in the AFL. imagine Tamworth. Are you serious? NRL players will go anywhere. Canberra doesn't attract players because they lose, it's not because it's a country town. Pretty sure I'd rather live in Tamworth or Canberra than Western Sydney. The investment wouldn't be as huge as Perth, I think you'd find there'd be more support for a country team than Perth. Perth has a small group working over there, and if we're talking about things being a money drainer for the NRL and we're only going to accept teams that will financially sustain themselves than I doubt Perth will be there. |
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Post by supersteve on Sept 30, 2009 9:54:18 GMT 10
I tend to agree with sportsmad, I really doubt they would attract qualtiy players. I think Canberra do sturggle to attract big names becuase of the area and the weather down there, not because they lose. Look at South Sydney five years ago. They had been the absolute cellar dwellers for the previous twenty years but as soon as they got a management change and pumped some money into the club they were able to attract some of the biggest names in the game. The same can be said for Canterbury. Wooden spooners last season and signed a huge amount of top quality players.
I cant see how having a country NSW team at this stage would be a good thing considering the offers on the table. A team playing out of Tamworth would do very little, if anything at all in terms of expanded television coverage and I doubt that potential sponsors would see it as a step forward.
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Post by sportsmad on Sept 30, 2009 17:40:08 GMT 10
TBH i only know a little bit about the strenth of the perth bid so u might be right, but on paper its prime for an NRL team. the respnse is there with crowd number in games taken there.
we disagree about this ryan but i think location does matter to your average NRL player. North Queensland had a hard time recruiting players in the years after their inaugral year.
good point about the tv coverage supersteve. we need to maximise the next deal. the next deal is the most important one in ARL history IMO. if were still targetting two states then theres not that much gained for the buyer. if we can add perth to the list its another card the NRL can play on. a key point will be live coverage into melbourne cos right now its pathetic and seriously stunting efforts to grow the game there. first steps have been taken separating State of Origin from the NRL package which is great. it should gain about 12 million. im not sure about the international coverage so if anyone can fill me in? i think the RLIF should take control (sorry to get off subject here)
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Post by Ryan N on Sept 30, 2009 21:42:46 GMT 10
I'm not saying I support it. I'm merely saying with all the other preposterous bids coming out of places it's actually more viable.
BTW, have any of you ever actually been to Canberra? Seriously, it's not that bad a place, much better than western Sydney. If they won't move there because of it's location than fuck Central Queensland off too, not much around there in comparison to Canberra. Perth too, what NRL player wants to go all the way over there? PNG is gone, which leaves us with Central Coast and a second Brisbane team.
The Country Cockatoos (union) were going to put a bid into Super 15 or whatever so I mean it's much more viable with Rugby League.
I don't know, but I think people are just jumping on the bandwagon and if a serious bid were to come from the country than there'd be people jumping on that bandwagon too. Do you all actually believe the media?
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Post by Druzik on Oct 1, 2009 9:37:36 GMT 10
I'm not saying I support it. I'm merely saying with all the other preposterous bids coming out of places it's actually more viable. BTW, have any of you ever actually been to Canberra? Seriously, it's not that bad a place, much better than western Sydney. If they won't move there because of it's location than fuck Central Queensland off too, not much around there in comparison to Canberra. Perth too, what NRL player wants to go all the way over there? PNG is gone, which leaves us with Central Coast and a second Brisbane team. The Country Cockatoos (union) were going to put a bid into Super 15 or whatever so I mean it's much more viable with Rugby League. I don't know, but I think people are just jumping on the bandwagon and if a serious bid were to come from the country than there'd be people jumping on that bandwagon too. Do you all actually believe the media? I like Canberra, I'll be there next week actually  This is an interesting debate... all yu guys are coming up with some good points... I am reading with interest so far. |
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Post by sportsmad on Oct 1, 2009 17:31:23 GMT 10
i was in canberra last week cos my gf had placement there. its floriad festival time so its really beautiful. i just dont see your greg inglises and jarryd haynes there though.
if i were to rank my personal preferences for places in terms of NRL expansion (mentioned commonly as potential markets) and naivly leave strength of business plans and bids out of it it would be:
1. wellington
2. perth
3. Darwin/ PNG
4. central coast
5. adelaide.
6. PNG
7. central QLD
8. south east QLD
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Post by Ryan N on Oct 1, 2009 22:39:30 GMT 10
i was in canberra last week cos my gf had placement there. its floriad festival time so its really beautiful. i just dont see your greg inglises and jarryd haynes there though. if i were to rank my personal preferences for places in terms of NRL expansion (mentioned commonly as potential markets) and naivly leave strength of business plans and bids out of it it would be: 1. wellington 2. perth 3. Darwin/ PNG 4. central coast 5. adelaide. 6. PNG 7. central QLD 8. south east QLD Wait, wait... Firstly Jarryd Hayne played for Cabramatta as a junior. Have you been to Cabramatta? I lived there (well Canley Vale actually but close enough), it ain't pretty. Drug capital of Australia, pull up at the lights at night and there will be someone trying to sell you heroin 9 times out of 10. The Parramatta district may be better but you're hundreds of times more likely to get shot in western Sydney than Canberra. People get stabbed for no reason, just walking along the street. One big islander man got bashed and murdered by a gang of people who didn't even know him almost right in front of my aunt's house. Secondly, though I may be corrected as I'm not going to spend time researching but I believe that Greg Inglis grew up on an Aboriginal mission in Kempsey. Have you ever been to an Aboriginal mission? It ain't a pretty sight. It's not just the Top End that's in a state, it's the Aboriginal community as a whole, mainly those that live on missions. It's sad, because you know the kids are stuck in a vicious cycle which is going to repeat itself. Inglis is one of the lucky, talented kids that got away from it all. However, I stand to be corrected on this. I think Canberra's problem may be money, or something else. Do you often hear about them targeting players anyway? Canberra's just uup the mountain from me, it's only an hour to pristine, empty beaches. It's a fair drive from western Sydney to the beach and when you get there it's crowded and polluted as hell. As for Tamworth, you're in a similar situation. You're away from all the hustle and bustle and just horribleness of the city. There's natural beauty there, it's not like it's in a desert. It's halfway between Brisbane and Sydney, so there's another plus as it's between two of the hubs of the game. It has produced NRL players who may want to go back home (Alan Tongue, Tom Learoyd-Lahrs, Richard Swain, Brad Tighe) plus plenty of other players from the surrounding area. |
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Post by sportsmad on Oct 2, 2009 10:41:44 GMT 10
I love the country but as a guy in his early twenties I don’t want to move there at my age. Maybe retire there. I don’t know anyone my age that would move to the country and nrl players are no exception. Inglis may have grown up in the bush but now that hes a hugely successful nrl player I doubt he’d want to leave the metropolis to go back to kempsey. hed probably get bored. I don’t think a player like jaryd hayne would want to leave the city with all its resources for a quiet life in the country when he can earn a $2m pay package staying in Sydney.
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Post by Ryan N on Oct 2, 2009 23:54:04 GMT 10
I love the country but as a guy in his early twenties I don’t want to move there at my age. Maybe retire there. I don’t know anyone my age that would move to the country and nrl players are no exception. Inglis may have grown up in the bush but now that hes a hugely successful nrl player I doubt he’d want to leave the metropolis to go back to kempsey. hed probably get bored. I don’t think a player like jaryd hayne would want to leave the city with all its resources for a quiet life in the country when he can earn a $2m pay package staying in Sydney. I'm young, and I'd never move to the city? I think you forget that people from the country play in the NRL. 2 million dollars in the country is better than 2 million in the city. I just think it's a narrowminded view and metropolitan society has shaped you that way. Anyone with any sort of intelligence knows living in the country is better once they actually move there. The only reason they don't always stay there is because there is more work in the city. Tamworth would only be good stories if there was a team located there. No big scandals or anything of the likes. But I think this is just an agree to disagree case because there's no persuading the city folk.  |
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. So much going for it and it would get crowds, they got 11,000 to a trial game and a sell out for the NRL game. I would say they would start off averaging 12,000 atleast hopefully up towards 15,000.
