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Post by Druzik on May 9, 2009 16:54:50 GMT 10
Agree with Kiwi Fan... have alternating years in NZ and Aus. I think the last time NZ rolled Aus in the mid year test was in Wellington... no? I only listened to it over the net ... its hard to really guage how well the Kiwis did when you have Gus and rabs going on and on with their biased opinions. I wouldnt mind people putting up their thoughts on here. It was played in North Harbour I believe. I can see why they play it in Australia for crowds and money reasons. It depends what you want bigger crowds or a closer game. In aus of course the crowds would be bigger, but in NZ if you get closer scores and the kiwis winning more often that should bring in the crowds as well and money... no?
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Post by Ryan N on May 9, 2009 16:58:03 GMT 10
It was played in North Harbour I believe. I can see why they play it in Australia for crowds and money reasons. It depends what you want bigger crowds or a closer game. In aus of course the crowds would be bigger, but in NZ if you get closer scores and the kiwis winning more often that should bring in the crowds as well and money... no? Plus they won the World Cup. There could've been marketing chances for sure.
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Post by Druzik on May 9, 2009 17:03:20 GMT 10
In aus of course the crowds would be bigger, but in NZ if you get closer scores and the kiwis winning more often that should bring in the crowds as well and money... no? Plus they won the World Cup. There could've been marketing chances for sure. YES! Again the RLIF miss out... it seems the NRL/ARL tries to screw IRL where ever it can.
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Post by supersteve on May 9, 2009 18:00:25 GMT 10
Does the RLIF have much clout here?,
The RLIF should be the ones deciding where International games are played. It would be the ARL desperate to have these games in Australia, as Tests and Origin games are the only way they make revenue.
It should alternate. The year Australia has the Four nations they have the ANZAC Test in NZ, the year the Four Nations is over in the UK have the ANZAC Test in Australia.
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Post by Druzik on May 9, 2009 18:04:49 GMT 10
Does the RLIF have much clout here?, The RLIF should be the ones deciding where International games are played. It would be the ARL desperate to have these games in Australia, as Tests and Origin games are the only way they make revenue. It should alternate. The year Australia has the Four nations they have the ANZAC Test in NZ, the year the Four Nations is over in the UK have the ANZAC Test in Australia. Now see steve, that makes too much sense... this is rugby league, ideas like that should be stomped on when possible. Agree... it is that logical.
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Post by Kiwi fan on May 10, 2009 8:20:09 GMT 10
It would be alright if we could at least host the four nations game at the end of this year. At least we would then have a international game.
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Post by Druzik on May 11, 2009 18:35:56 GMT 10
Look KF, how would an annual NZ v Tonga or Samoa test go in Kiwiland? would you get big crowds, have it as a warm up to the 4 nations, particularly if one of them makes the 4N as well?
Would a Kiwi PM XII traveling away to one of those nations be an idea like the Aus XIII and PNG?
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Post by Ryan N on May 11, 2009 19:18:58 GMT 10
Look KF, how would an annual NZ v Tonga or Samoa test go in Kiwiland? would you get big crowds, have it as a warm up to the 4 nations, particularly if one of them makes the 4N as well? Would a Kiwi PM XII traveling away to one of those nations be an idea like the Aus XIII and PNG? I'd make it New Zealand vs. Pacific Islands. At the same time as Origin. There ya go, fixes your Origin problem too. But yes play it in an Origin style concept, it would have the same competitiveness and popularity I believe as well with the ex-pat Islander population in New Zealand. Two games in Kiwi Land, one in Papua New Guinea, or one of the island nations, however I feel Papua New Guinea would be more viable for crowd size. Holy shit, that seems so logical, maybe that's why they won't do it.
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Post by Druzik on May 11, 2009 19:23:45 GMT 10
Look KF, how would an annual NZ v Tonga or Samoa test go in Kiwiland? would you get big crowds, have it as a warm up to the 4 nations, particularly if one of them makes the 4N as well? Would a Kiwi PM XII traveling away to one of those nations be an idea like the Aus XIII and PNG?
I'd make it New Zealand vs. Pacific Islands. At the same time as Origin. There ya go, fixes your Origin problem too.
But yes play it in an Origin style concept, it would have the same competitiveness and popularity I believe as well with the ex-pat Islander population in New Zealand. Two games in Kiwi Land, one in Papua New Guinea, or one of the island nations, however I feel Papua New Guinea would be more viable for crowd size.
Holy shit, that seems so logical, maybe that's why they won't do it. Bingo! ;D Hey mabe a Maori v Polenysia v Melenesia games are the way to go, then you can have one game in each nations. The polenesian home game can be rotated every year between Tonga and Samoa, same as the melensian one, between PNG and Fiji.
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Post by Ryan N on May 11, 2009 19:40:41 GMT 10
I'd make it New Zealand vs. Pacific Islands. At the same time as Origin. There ya go, fixes your Origin problem too.
But yes play it in an Origin style concept, it would have the same competitiveness and popularity I believe as well with the ex-pat Islander population in New Zealand. Two games in Kiwi Land, one in Papua New Guinea, or one of the island nations, however I feel Papua New Guinea would be more viable for crowd size.
Holy shit, that seems so logical, maybe that's why they won't do it. Bingo! ;D Hey mabe a Maori v Polenysia v Melenesia games are the way to go, then you can have one game in each nations. The polenesian home game can be rotated every year between Tonga and Samoa, same as the melensian one, between PNG and Fiji. That's also a good idea, but as a profitable option I doubt it. Can you name a full team of top NRL players that are of Maori (specifically, they are technically Polynesian) or Melanesian origin? They do a Pacific Islands team in Union, but I believe it would be an even stronger team in League. Every one is calling for a New Zealand Origin lately, but it won't happen. This actually would be a viable possibility and would also make Islander players pledge their allegiance rather than choosing New Zealand or Australia for their reasons (mainly Origin). And if there are players maybe not good enough for Origin they may choose this instead because it would be of the same calibre. Also, the profits would then go to the Pacific Islands and New Zealand, both areas that need money I believe? Haha I'm dead serious, mm, if I had the money or some sort of backer I'd be planning this for next year. Lets try and name an islander side. I'm not good with the players eligible.
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Post by Druzik on May 11, 2009 19:54:54 GMT 10
That's also a good idea, but as a profitable option I doubt it. Can you name a full team of top NRL players that are of Maori (specifically, they are technically Polynesian) or Melanesian origin? There must be enough since there was the aboriginal vs. Maori game last year to open up the WC! Only because the other teams are too crap to stand alone... in league if you were able to get a full strength team then they would be more than competitive. But there is a provincial series every year in NZ... whay cant they get the NRL players in or promote that to the Kiwis? Well the island nations would still be in trouble because players then would be going for still aus on NZ, being locked out if they choose them... unless NZ origin is made not to lock you into NZ and you stiull can choose your contry after that. One would hope the money would be split between the parties. Well being out of the loop in Aus NZ I wont try either, but the Kiwis and aussies certainly could. We await people respnses.
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Post by Ryan N on May 11, 2009 20:16:29 GMT 10
Yes true. But they weren't really top NRL players. Remember, for this to be viable you want to have it on the same profile as Origin. Otherwise the Islanders will still choose Australia. Again, Pacific Islands vs New Zealand would be a much more marketable prospect. I understand it would be good for the individual ethnic groups, but that would never be as promotable as Origin. You would then be able to get the best Pacific Islander players together, against a full New Zealand international team. It would be competitive I believe. Your Melanesia, Polynesia, Maori idea is good, but in the scheme of things it wouldn't have as huge a profile. It would be lower profile than City/Country, sorry, that's what i believe and therefore I don't believe players would choose that instead of Origin.
Again, not the same to lure away the Islanders from Origin.
It's not NZ origin, it's Pacific Islands vs New Zealand, played at the same time as Origin (aka a 3 match series). If a player chooses the Pacific Islands team then they are locking themselves in for the nation which they represent.
That was the idea...
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Post by Druzik on May 11, 2009 20:41:53 GMT 10
Yeah look it might work. See what our kiwi friends have to say on this idea.
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Post by Ryan N on May 11, 2009 22:05:27 GMT 10
Just based on the World Cup, okay maybe some have retired etc., and maybe some of them aren't good enough anymore, because there's plenty of young players just as good coming through. So i can't give you anything for certain. But Ben Roberts has played for New Zealand in the halves, and Stanley Gene can be magnificent, so that's probably where New Zealand would go down, the halves. Fien's a hooker fools. And yes John Wilshire he's a brilliant player.
1. John Wilshire (PNG) 2. Taniela Tuiaki (Tonga) 3. Jarryd Hayne (Fiji) 4. Nigel Vagana (Samoa) 5. Tony Williams (Tonga) 6. Stanley Gene (PNG) 7. Ben Roberts (Samoa) 8. FuiFui MoiMoi (Tonga) 9. Paul Aiton (PNG) 10. Makali Aizue (PNG) 11. Ashton Sims (Fiji) 12. Feleti Mateo (Tonga) 13. Tevita Leo-Latu (Tonga)
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Post by jim on May 11, 2009 22:23:00 GMT 10
Personally, I would make it a 3 team series, PNG, NZ and Pacific Islands. Although I havn't put too much thought into it. 2 games each around origin time. One game in PNG, one in Fiji/Samoa/Tonga, one in NZ.
I don't like the idea of including PNG in the Pacific side because population wise they are a bigger country than NZ and no doubt before long more players would get snapped up by NRL clubs with the exposure from playing in this type of comp.
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