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Post by sportsmad on May 19, 2009 18:44:46 GMT 10
Hello everyone , im new to the forum and cant seem to find a topic related to general NRL discusion. if there is one please let me know. if not, at the risk of writing to myslef im creating one now.
Im a huge fan of expansion. especially at the expense of some sydney teams. i am wrong to want the sharks to die a horrible death? does anyone think the sharks should survive?
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Post by jim on May 19, 2009 18:48:54 GMT 10
Hello everyone , im new to the forum and cant seem to find a topic related to general NRL discusion. if there is one please let me know. if not, at the risk of writing to myslef im creating one now. Im a huge fan of expansion. especially at the expense of some sydney teams. i am wrong to want the sharks to die a horrible death? does anyone think the sharks should survive? Welcome ;D Have to warn you though, here it comes... |
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Post by Druzik on May 19, 2009 19:02:34 GMT 10
Shut up Jim!  Mate I am a mad sharks fan and will vehemently defend them to the death... actually I am against getting rid of any teams in Sydney, AFAIC Sydney can sustain them no problems, the clubs just need to get off their fat arses and do some half decent advertising an recruiting... I mean the UK clubs can turn profits without leagues clubs and the sport in theory is smaller than what we have and their expenses are more than ours. Persoanally I think we can easily go to 18 maybe even 20 teams in 2012 - 2014, we might have to set up conferencing style games but thats OK, For me the main target areas are the Central coast, Perth and another qld team, probably in the sunshine coast... the 4th doesnt phase me too much as long as its not one of the daft ideas of bringing in PNG or Fiji... it sounds anti expansion, but it isnt, its saving alot of money, trouble, Police work for the NRL... plus it wont kill off the SP cup or Vodafone Championships! There is general NRL board. If you go into the domestic comp section below this international one, you will see two boards decicated to NRL and ESL and then threads to all other domestic comps around the world. This forums, as well as discussion on expansion in say the NRL and ESL, is very pro internationalist with myslef and a few others doing lots to promote and get the sport going in various countries, so if you want to see it spread then this I think is one of the best forums for talking about it. |
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Post by sportsmad on May 19, 2009 21:42:48 GMT 10
thanks for the link and the welcome. i agree with most of the things you said in your comment Druzik except we differ on some of the areas where we'd put teams given the choice. if it were up to me id have 3 teams in NZ by now (although that might not be that realistic atm). at least accept wellington orcas bid. i think 3 qld sides is enough. perth i agree with though.
as for sydney teams there are some there that you just cant move. too many fans would be lost. the north shore suffered when the nth sydney bears went bust so you cant move manly (although if brookvale oval isnt upgraded they may consider it). i could go through all the clubs in sydney and their importance but in the end the ones that could be sacrificed are the sharks and the roosters (in my opinion)
its great to read that you guys are working hard on promoting the sport in other countries.
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Post by Druzik on May 19, 2009 22:03:16 GMT 10
thanks for the link and the welcome. i agree with most of the things you said in your comment Druzik except we differ on some of the areas where we'd put teams given the choice. if it were up to me id have 3 teams in NZ by now (although that might not be that realistic atm). at least accept wellington orcas bid. i think 3 qld sides is enough. perth i agree with though. 2 in NZ at most... I still am not convinced of the Orcas and that there is enough public support for a team in there. Union is still king. A third team in NZ would be suicide for NZRL, would send it broke in no time... I think NZ needs to build up its local comps more and promote them and get them do a decent semi professional level on par with the french. You can have a bit of redistribution of team in sydnet to ease congestion, but wholesale moving is just plain stupid in my opinion. The only way I would support a team moving is if its so financially fucked (touch wood here) that there is absolutely no other option but to do this then OK... the fans have to put up with it because its their own fault for not supporting, but a forced relocation is suicide... look what happened with the Bunnies and Nths. Two points: Roosters, people can say what they want but they are in the ricj part of town and the club that is keeping usnion in check in sydney. Get rid of them and the Shute shield will grow... trust me. Sharks have a massive junior base and comp that keeps that area RL king... however there always has been a strong AFL presence there as well, get rid of the sharks and you will have the next Sydney AFL team down there.... and no, opeople wont support Ts george... the hatred runs too strong ;D and vice versa.... no matter what their supporters say. You will find who the international posters are on here, we have a few people linked to countries and their running on here. |
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Post by England 3 Lions on Jun 4, 2009 2:42:25 GMT 10
Queensland is large enough to field 5 or 6 teams. Statistics support my theory. Areas such as Logan City are crying out for a team. Logan's population is near 300,000 and it holds a strong rugby league supporter base -- two of the Kangaroos' elite players, Cameron Smith and Israel Folau, are from the area! Logan deserves its own team in the NRL.
Tiny LGA's such as Parramatta and the City of Sydney should not be given preference over large LGA's like Logan City.
Moreton is quite large, and more than equipped to field its own NRL franchise. If my memory is correct, it is the 3rd or 4th largest LGA in Australia, with Brisbane being the only one with a population of 1,000,000.
The Sunshine Coast and Wide Bay should have their own teams.
An Ipswich based club could work.
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Post by sportsmad on Jun 4, 2009 11:01:40 GMT 10
i agree with you that teams that are pretty much suburbs shouldnt be given priority. however i guess they were there first and are established clubs/ i would have no more than 4 sides in QLD, prefereably a relocated sharks or sydney team. i would love nothing more than to see a team in wellingon and i really hope they make a strong bid. people that say nz isnt ready for a second team are wrong. imagine auckalnd warriors vs wellington orcas!! then theres perth. i think the two new teams should be one from an established area (central coast or a 4th qld team) and one from a non traditional area (perth or wellington)
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Post by sportsmad on Aug 29, 2009 12:10:33 GMT 10
if souths dont make the finals next year with the forwards they have then everyone at the club should be sacked. they include aoy assatasi, michael crocker , dave taylor and now probably sam burgess! thats a test forward pack, not a club one.
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Post by Druzik on Aug 29, 2009 13:49:58 GMT 10
i agree with you that teams that are pretty much suburbs shouldnt be given priority. however i guess they were there first and are established clubs/ i would have no more than 4 sides in QLD, prefereably a relocated sharks or sydney team. i would love nothing more than to see a team in wellingon and i really hope they make a strong bid. people that say nz isnt ready for a second team are wrong. imagine auckalnd warriors vs wellington orcas!! then theres perth. i think the two new teams should be one from an established area (central coast or a 4th qld team) and one from a non traditional area (perth or wellington) all the sydney teams dont represent suburbs, they represent municipalities or satellite cities within Sydney! * Penrith Panthers- Satellite city * Parammatta Eels - Satellite city * Cantebury-Bankstown Bulldogs - represent probably one of the biggest chunks of sydney from Liverpool in the west to the inner city in Marriackville! * Cronulla-Shoutherland Sharks - One of the larger Shire municipalities in Sydney abhout 200,000 people I think. * West Tigers - Takes in everything from the borders with Parramatta and the doggies to the inner city and the out campbeltown way. *St George is between the inner city and cornulla as well as the Illawarra region. * Souths is the west and southe inner city suburbs * Syndey city is the estern inner city suburbs and the city itself. * Manly - Warringah covers everything noth of sydney pat that its the Central coast and Newcastle. To put this into perspective for the Europeans on here. Here are a couple of maps I did up. This is just a general map of greater sydney and the rough distances involved.  and now with the rough areas that the teams cover in sydney  All teams represent areas that encompass roughly 250,000 - 500,000 people in the greater sydney.... which is about 5 million. |
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Post by arh21980 on Aug 29, 2009 14:03:10 GMT 10
I'll throw a spanner in the works for you Dan add the Bears when they get in. You'll have to add in Norths Sydneys old territories up until south of Newcastle.
To me its stupidity having only one club representing the Northern Suburbs when you have look at the other regions
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Post by Druzik on Aug 29, 2009 15:03:16 GMT 10
I'll throw a spanner in the works for you Dan add the Bears when they get in. You'll have to add in Norths Sydneys old territories up until south of Newcastle. To me its stupidity having only one club representing the Northern Suburbs when you have look at the other regions Anthony, the NORTH SYDNEY bears are dead an buried in the NRL... They are in the NSW cup... but in the NRL they will be the CENTRAL COAST something... I am not even convinced they will be called the bears... so as it is there will be no spanner in the works.. If the fans were so passionate about the bears then they should have faught harder years ago for them not to go under, i.e. supported them at games more and fought the NRL like souths did. as it is the map is showing the locations of the current teams. |
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Post by arh21980 on Aug 29, 2009 21:21:50 GMT 10
That is true about the bears are gone but if they get in (from what I'm told its a forgone conclusion with the Media and alot of other people giving it momentum).
They will retain alot of there old territory and to make it alot worst for the Sydney teams and for Newcastle for that matter the CCDRL have said that they will have there clubs feed into the Central Coast side.
So you'll have clubs North Sydney and then you'll have the clubs of the Central Coast feeding into one side as a Manly supporter this worries me. But also makes me happy being a proud former Coastie it would makes me happy to see a Central Coast team succeed.
To be fair about the Bears that was the management that ended up running the club into the ground. Plus it was also poor timing on there behalf as well trying to move the club up to the Coast when the NRL was cutting liscences. TBH they could have waited a bit and Manly would have struggled to get a liscence due to lending money to the ARL in the fight against Scum League (Oops I mean Super League) but they had the right idea to move it there. A stand alone club will have sellouts week in week out at bluetongue.
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Post by arh21980 on Aug 29, 2009 21:35:29 GMT 10
Another thing is that Central Coast teams when they have played in other comps generally do very well.
Think the Entrance Tigers in Jim Beam Comp, and Wyong Kangaroos this year have made the Grand Final in the Newcastle Comp.
The juniors generally do well before they get raped by the NRL affilated clubs. (My Cousins played with alot of current NRL players, NSW Cup Players)
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Post by Druzik on Aug 30, 2009 13:56:38 GMT 10
That is true about the bears are gone but if they get in (from what I'm told its a forgone conclusion with the Media and alot of other people giving it momentum). Anthony at the moment Perthm PNG, CC and another QLD team are all foregone conclusions according to the media! How would it make it worse for sydney teams? I dont think the junior bases overlap anywhere except maybe manly but they have a large catchment area as it is... maybe sydney city could be effected but on the flip side they have an extra team to poach players from now as well.  |
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Post by Druzik on Aug 30, 2009 14:01:24 GMT 10
Another thing is that Central Coast teams when they have played in other comps generally do very well. Think the Entrance Tigers in Jim Beam Comp, and Wyong Kangaroos this year have made the Grand Final in the Newcastle Comp. The juniors generally do well before they get raped by the NRL affilated clubs. (My Cousins played with alot of current NRL players, NSW Cup Players) Raped is such a harsh word... more like plundered... a CC team will help with that though. CC and Newcastle has always been a top competition. |
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